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KqWIN said:
The comparison is stocks as a prospect compared to stocks as a prospect, like I said, stocks is an indicator of more than getting stocks in the NBA. I am dinging him because one of the most important indicators of defense (really players as a whole) is very low. If you can't wrap your head around the concept of an indicator, I can't help you. Dort is evidence for me, he was a better stocks guy coming into the draft. If you want to counter my logic, find a guy who whose stocks were lower than Castle's and that would serve as a counterpoint.

I do think Castle can be an exception to the rule, but given that there have only been two guys in the last 10+ years to receive an all defense stocks with lowers stocks, I hesitate to say he will be the very best in the NBA.
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I think you are reading way too much into stocks. Castle is flat out the best individual perimeter defender that I have seen at the college level.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Memphis is historically a team willing to take guys based on their board and not consensus, so Edey makes a lot of sense.
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It wouldn't surprise me. Center is by far their biggest need and they can afford swing for the fences.
 
sip said:
I think you are reading way too much into stocks. Castle is flat out the best individual perimeter defender that I have seen at the college level.
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He might be the best at on ball perimeter defense, nor sure I would say he's the best overall perimeter defender in this class. In any case, I think I have to see a really compelling argument to be offended at the notion a prospect won't be the very best in the NBA at something. Castle doesn't clear that bar for me. I think he will be very good despite the poor indicators, but I don't think he's a generational perimeter defender like you do.
 
KqWIN said:
The comparison is stocks as a prospect compared to stocks as a prospect, like I said, stocks is an indicator of more than getting stocks in the NBA. I am dinging him because one of the most important indicators of defense (really players as a whole) is very low. If you can't wrap your head around the concept of an indicator, I can't help you. Dort is evidence for me, he was a better stocks guy coming into the draft. If you want to counter my logic, find a guy who whose stocks were lower than Castle's and that would serve as a counterpoint.

I do think Castle can be an exception to the rule, but given that there have only been two guys in the last 10+ years to receive an all defense stocks with lowers stocks, I hesitate to say he will be the very best in the NBA.
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Castle has similar stocks to some of the players we are comparing him to(per 40):
Castle - 2.0
Butler - college career - 2.1, last college season - 2.1
Jaylen Brown - 2.1
 
stitches said:
Castle has similar stocks to some of the players we are comparing him to(per 40):
Castle - 2.0
Butler - college career - 2.1, last season - 2.1
Jaylen Brown - 2.1
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To be fair, I am nitpicking a little too much...does it really matter if he's just barely lower? Probably not. But it's still on the low side. If Castle receives a vote for an all defense team, he would be the third lowest stocks guy to do so in the last 10+ years. If you looked at the top 100 in DEF EPM for PG/SG/SF....he would be like bottom 5%. It's not enough for me to say he won't be a good defender, but it is enough for me to be skeptical that he will be one of the very best in the league.

If I were to compare him as a prospect to Anthony Black, for example, I would have more confidence in Black as a defender. Black was not nearly as good at 1on1 perimeter defense, but I'd have more confidence in him to add more value to defense at the next level.
 
KqWIN said:
To be fair, I am nitpicking a little too much...does it really matter if he's just barely lower? Probably not. But it's still on the low side. If Castle receives a vote for an all defense team, he would be the third lowest stocks guy to do so in the last 10+ years. If you looked at the top 100 in DEF EPM for PG/SG/SF....he would be like bottom 5%. It's not enough for me to say he won't be a good defender, but it is enough for me to be skeptical that he will be one of the very best in the league.

If I were to compare him as a prospect to Anthony Black, for example, I would have more confidence in Black as a defender. Black was not nearly as good at 1on1 perimeter defense, but I'd have more confidence in him to add more value to defense at the next level.
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I'm of the belief that those indicators interesting guiding points, but at the end of the day it's only a problem if it is a problem. Meaning... when you watch him play defense, do you see him lacking in that department? Does it look like he lacks the length or athleticism or timing or effort or defensive IQ to make plays? And if it doesn't look like he's lacking in those areas, is it really a problem? Can it be partially due to defensive assignments and in general playing in a more conservative system that relies on him to not gamble?
 
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