2024 NBA Draft Reaction Thread

[Jaanipoeg]

We really got posters who think we could have gotten the Lakers top 4 protected 2027 pick in the summer for Conley after he was coming off the worst post season performance of his career? Everyone thought Conley was washed. Just insane how much people forget.

This whole board was convinced he was negative value and was discussing how we could possibly dump him without giving up assets. That run really changed the perception of him a lot

 

[stitches]

We really got posters who think we could have gotten the Lakers top 4 protected 2027 pick in the summer for Conley after he was coming off the worst post season performance of his career? Everyone thought Conley was washed. Just insane how much people forget.

They wanted Bogdanovic and Vanderbilt more than Conley at the time. Come on. Lets not pretend like we weren't talking about how the Jazz are waiting for both Lakers picks and that's why the deal wasn't getting done... that is... in September/October(before we traded Bogdanovic for KO). You obviously wouldn't have gotten the exact same return for all those players had you done those trades earlier. But lets not pretend we couldn't have gotten comparable return.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

They wanted Bogdanovic more than Conley at the time. Come on. Lets not pretend like we weren't talking about how the Jazz are waiting for both Lakers picks and that's why the deal wasn't getting done... that is... in September/October(before we traded Bogdanovic for KO). You obviously wouldn't have gotten the exact same return for all those players had you done those trades earlier. But lets not pretend we couldn't have gotten comparable return.

We couldnt have. Plus Bogey was dealt for KO who was later dealt for the pick that became Collier.

Masterful asset management

 

[stitches]

We couldnt have. Plus Bogey was dealt for KO who was later dealt for the pick that became Collier.

Masterful asset management

Yes and if you trade Bogey to LAL instead of the 2 seconds + NAW+ Beasley maybe you get another deal. Come on. There are multiple pieces that are changing hands here and all of them had some value. Maybe you don't get Collier exactly. Maybe you get 2 other prospects instead. Need I remind people that Collier is no. 29 pick in a bad draft and he hasn't played a minute in the league yet? Yes I like that pick. Yes I think he has potential. But stop acting like Collier is a hit, while every other piece you could have had instead of him is nothing.

 

[NUMBERICA]

We really got posters who think we could have gotten the Lakers top 4 protected 2027 pick in the summer for Conley after he was coming off the worst post season performance of his career? Everyone thought Conley was washed. Just insane how much people forget.

The Lakers were never trading that pick for Conley (and they didn’t). The issue with Conley is that they traded him - and his superpower: leadership - to a team that desperately needed leadership and whose draft we own(ed). I digress.

The issue is they didn’t trade Bogey (or Olynyk), the Minnesota dudes, and Clarkson for that pick and THT. I seem to recall some reporting from @Tony Jones that suggested that an offer like that was on the table and the Jazz scoffed (likely wanting both ‘27 AND ‘29 picks).

My issue wasn’t really ever Conley, I didn’t think he could fetch much, and being instrumental in changing the Wolves from a tire-fire to a contender is… I want to say malfeasance but that’s too strong a word.

 

[KqWIN]

No you don't get it. If we tank all our players dissolve into thin air and you can't get anything for them. It's either LAL pick, Filipowski and Collier or NOTHING! Yes. You get nothing for Conley, Bogdanovic/KO, Ochai, Beasley, Vanderbilt, NAW... the 2 second round picks... those just disappear...

I don’t care to discuss all the hypotheticals because it’s an unending argument. To me it’s simple, the more you tank, the more future stuff you have. The more you try to win, the more win now stuff you have. Im sure that if you have DA either objective, he would accomplish those things. You tell him to be in the middle and he will get you something in the middle on both fronts.

I also don’t care to open up the “we should have tanked” convo. I’m just saying that we shouldn’t change our opinion on the process based on a hindsight 20/20 results based analysis. Had we had won a few more games, we would have gotten the #1 or #3 pick. But without the benefit of hindsight I think we can all agree that it was objectively better to have more lotto balls.

 

[fishonjazz]

Who was our guy that we missed out on?

We were getting Key regardless of how good or bad we tanked. Key was drafted 16 with the Twolves pick

He is saying that if we drafted scoot then maybe we don't draft keyonte.

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[fishonjazz]

That’s a different conversation. Nothing changes my opinion on the results based analysis. I prefer to be process oriented. I’m not going to judge the “half tank” on things that are up to complete luck.

I’m sure that if we had gone tankers paradise route we would also have things that were of value.

I wouldn't say getting the Lakers pick in a trade and the picks that ended up being flip Collier in trades qualifies as luck.


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[KqWIN]

I wouldn't say getting the Lakers pick in a trade and the picks that ended up being flip Collier in trades qualifies as luck.


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Neither did I.

 

[fishonjazz]

Neither did I.

Cy said that without the half tank we wouldn't have flip, Collier and Lakers 27 pick.

You responded with "I’m not going to judge the “half tank” on things that are up to complete luck."

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[KqWIN]

Cy said that without the half tank we wouldn't have flip, Collier and Lakers 27 pick.

You responded with "I’m not going to judge the “half tank” on things that are up to complete luck."

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The things that are up to complete luck are the lotto and who is drafted before us. Cy said we should change our opinion based on those things (getting Cody Williams).

The second point acknowledges the other stuff. I never said those things were luck, just that there's other stuff we would have had in a full tank scenario. Like @stitches said, the things we traded for those picks do not disappear into thin air. I do not care to discuss specific hypotheticals. I firmly believe that if the goal was to tank and acquire more future facing assets, DA would have been able to do it.

 

[fishonjazz]

The things that are up to complete luck are the lotto and who is drafted before us. Cy said we should change our opinion based on those things (getting Cody Williams).

The second point acknowledges the other stuff. I never said those things were luck, just that there's other stuff we would have had in a full tank scenario. Like @stitches said, the things we traded for those picks do not disappear into thin air. I do not care to discuss specific hypotheticals. I firmly believe that if the goal was to tank and acquire more future facing assets, DA would have been able to do it.

So if cy would have said without the half tank we wouldn't have gotten the Lakers pick and the #32 and #29 picks in this draft then your post wouldnt have mentioned luck? Lol

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