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Bronco70 said:
I don't agree with this, but I guess it depends on your definition of horrible. They are certainly not the Pats, or Saints, or Packers, but they have a strong running game, and an average passing game. Plus a great kicker. They are the team they are because of their defense, for sure. But even the best defense can't cover for a horrible offense. They did go 13-3 this year.



Thanks for clearing that up. Reall though, I'm not so deluded as to think you can just go down to the corner bodega and pick up a big play WR. But that is where they lack the greatest. I think they need to concentrate some effort in that area. Whether or not they can fill the void remains to be seen.

Crabtree is all bark, no bite. Did he look like a big play WR this year? He didn't to me, and I pay extra special attention to the Niners.

You're right that Alex shouldn't take all the blame, and the play calling could definitely open up, but I think it's important to recognize that Harbaugh's system has given the Niners a level of confidence they haven't seen in years. Hopefully he builds on it. And maybe he is a saint, if he can take a team from 6-10 to 13-3 with most of the same pieces.
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Kiper's first mock draft had the Niners taking Alshon jeffrey, WR, South Carolina in the 1st. I like him. A lot. And I think he'd be exactly what they need.
 
I don't agree with this, but I guess it depends on your definition of horrible. They are certainly not the Pats, or Saints, or Packers, but they have a strong running game, and an average passing game. Plus a great kicker. They are the team they are because of their defense, for sure. But even the best defense can't cover for a horrible offense. They did go 13-3 this year.
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No, they don't. They have a very strong running game, and the 29th ranked passing game. That's not average.

I think where most niners fans and I will disagree, is WHY the offense is so bad.

Most, will lazily blame Alex Smith for everything. They will also maybe ask for a big name WR.

I think it goes beyond that.

It goes with the ultra conservative scheme. The predictable playcalling.

IN an effort to "not screw up" they end up screwing up. The Niners aren't the only team with this issue. The other Harbaugh had the exact same issue. Bolden was lined up against a WR playing DB. Yet, the Ravens rarely picked on this very favorable matchup. Rarely exploited it. In reality, they should have been going to Bolden EVERY SINGLE PLAY.

Likewise, the Niners have matchups across the board, Crabtree and Davis. Yet, they're too afraid of "screwing up." Too conservative. They'd rather grind out the game wiht Gore. That works... Especially if you have strong defenses to back it up. But eventually, you'll need the offense to make plays. Eventually, you'll need to open up the playbook.

The Niners teased you in the final few minutes against the Saints. The Niner defense was sucking and being torn up like it were Heidi Montag at a free plastic surgury clinic. However, they opened up the offense, allowed Smith to create, and launched the ball downfield to Davis.

Result? Win.

So while everyone agrees that the offense isn't that good. Most will refuse to blame Saint Harbaugh and will quickly just blame the easy guys, guys like Flacco and Smith. In reality, the scheme was too basic, they didn't do their playmakers any favors, and the whole "offense don't screw it up" attitude ends up limiting the team's success.
 
You're right that Alex shouldn't take all the blame, and the play calling could definitely open up, but I think it's important to recognize that Harbaugh's system has given the Niners a level of confidence they haven't seen in years. Hopefully he builds on it. And maybe he is a saint, if he can take a team from 6-10 to 13-3 with most of the same pieces.
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The same could be said about the Jets and Ravens.

Especially, the Ravens.

Crabtree is a big play receiver. Is he Calvin Johnson? No. But I don't see the Niners doing much to get him the ball. Put him in motion, run some WR screens, give him the ball off reverses...

Folks like to dismiss Bill Bilicheck and his offense for having great players. Which, they obviously do. But then again, you won't see another team in football (other than maybe Oregon) utilize their talent as much as the Pats do. They'll put Hernadez in the backfield. They'll pick off big defenders to open up things for Wes Welker. They'll match Gronk on a slow linebacker. They'll split him out on one side of the field while going trips onto the other side of the field to allow him to work one on one.

they have playmakers... And they seek every opportunity to get those playmakers the ball in very successful situations.

Teams that don't focus on offense/run conservative offenses, don't do this. Why don't the Niners ever go into trips? Why don't they ever attempt to go no huddle? Why don't they ever run reverses? Why don't they ever run a trick play? Why don't they ever put Crabtree in motion? Why don't they continue to lob the ball up to Davis? Why not split Frank Gore out as a WR? Why not go 5 wide out of the shotgun and give Alex a pass/run option? If the defense sags to cover the receivers, Alex should be uncovered and can run a QB draw. If the defense keeps someone in, then a WR or two should be wide open.
 
The difference between the giants and niners is that the niners with 2:30 left in the first half try to run the clock out. Giants get the ball back with 1:30 left and go for points.

I think the niners may have had the more complete team. And i say that being a giants fan.

I think the giants have better recievers and quarterback and better D ends (maybe). But the niners defense as a whole is better. Thats one bad *** defense. The niners offensive line is great too. Giants have an average offensive line and no running game to speak of. Jacobs is a joke. He'll be gone next year

The problem with the niners is alex smith and the conservative offensive play calls. They cant open it up because of his limited ability. Alex has had a decent year, but he is no where near the quarterback Eli is.

People just need to give Eli his due for carrying the team this year.

Also if the niners had ted ginn last night I think the niners advance. Not just because he would have held on to the ball but also because he would have given them better field position through out the game.
 
The Thriller said:
The same could be said about the Jets and Ravens.

Especially, the Ravens.

Crabtree is a big play receiver. Is he Calvin Johnson? No. But I don't see the Niners doing much to get him the ball. Put him in motion, run some WR screens, give him the ball off reverses...

Folks like to dismiss Bill Bilicheck and his offense for having great players. Which, they obviously do. But then again, you won't see another team in football (other than maybe Oregon) utilize their talent as much as the Pats do. They'll put Hernadez in the backfield. They'll pick off big defenders to open up things for Wes Welker. They'll match Gronk on a slow linebacker. They'll split him out on one side of the field while going trips onto the other side of the field to allow him to work one on one.

they have playmakers... And they seek every opportunity to get those playmakers the ball in very successful situations.

Teams that don't focus on offense/run conservative offenses, don't do this. Why don't the Niners ever go into trips? Why don't they ever attempt to go no huddle? Why don't they ever run reverses? Why don't they ever run a trick play? Why don't they ever put Crabtree in motion? Why don't they continue to lob the ball up to Davis? Why not split Frank Gore out as a WR? Why not go 5 wide out of the shotgun and give Alex a pass/run option? If the defense sags to cover the receivers, Alex should be uncovered and can run a QB draw. If the defense keeps someone in, then a WR or two should be wide open.
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Actually the niners do run reverses. They tried one last night. They tried it alot more with ted ginn
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Not true. The Jets beating the Colts in SB III was the biggest upset ever, at least if you're going by point spread because that, I believe, was 18. The NY/Pats one was somewhere between 8.5-11.5. I forget exactly where but nowhere near 18.
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I know, that's why I said since the AFL/NFL merger; which was in 1970

Super Bowl III was before that.
 
I am disappointed that Katie hasn't made an appearance. She's probably really busy and likely would not have posted a "WHO'S GOT IT BETTER" video seconds after a 49er win, had that happened. Right?
 
Dear Thriller,

I am going to stand pat on my statement. Please feel free to disagree, but I am uninterested in engaging your argument. Thanks and good day.

Bronco
 
Crabtree sucks, I think. But im not sure. He drops too many balls, I know that. I wish as fans watching at home we could see the whole field somehow. Its hard to completely judge recievers, db's, qb's and safeties without seeing who is open down field, who runs good routes, and which qb's read the field the best.
 
BluesRocker said:
Crabtree sucks, I think. But im not sure. He drops too many balls, I know that. I wish as fans watching at home we could see the whole field somehow. Its hard to completely judge recievers, db's, qb's and safeties without seeing who is open down field, who runs good routes, and which qb's read the field the best.
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That is my favorite part about going to game. You actually get to see what the secondary and receivers are doing.
 
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