Does Sexton Get Traded?

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I have talked to HH endlessly in the Lauri thread and I know he’s open to the idea of trading Sexton/Kessler to get worse. But I also know the reason he’s arguing you is because some of these points you’re bringing up are dumb AF lol.

My points are all rock solid and valid. Some people just want someone to argue with or they want to hold steadfast in their rose colored view that things will work out the way they want. Like "Of course Hardy is in on the tank this year and wont do the things he has done the last two seasons!"

 

[fishonjazz]

Jazz were a .500 team last year (through about 50 games) with those two playing while Clarkson had a career bad year, while THT started, and while John Collins/Walker Kessler failed to gel and the team had to adjust on the fly before they had to make trades to ensure losing.

Yep, then the team got worse. And it's still that worse team currently.


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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Sexton has two years left on his deal. What are we tanking for? We going to ask Sexton to sit some games so we can draft a guard, the most likely outcome given 3 of the 5 consensus top guys are guards (Harper/Edgecombe/Traore), who will replace you or limit your minutes in your contract year?

 

[KqWIN]

I am def not opposed to trading Walker or Collin or either of the JCs. I think it all helps to some degree. I just think right now its the difference between being in the 6-8 range or the 4-6 range if you moved Collin or Kessler.

I don't think either get moved rn.

I’d still have them in the same tier, I think I had 4-5 teams behind (above?) WAS and BKN. But if they traded Sexton I’d have them more likely to finish at the bottom of that tier than the top.

I think Sexton is great….we’re probably going to fall out of the playoff race quickly/not try to compete in the first place so I don’t see him having close to his max impact this year. Divine intervention will take place. He played really damn well (along with John Collins) during tanking time last year and we were still the worst in the league. I don’t think he’s even on the floor this year during tank time and is more in the Lauri situation.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yep, then the team got worse. And it's still that worse team currently.


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So everyone getting a year older is a worse team just because Simone and KO are gone? That means that Walker/Keyonte/Hendricks are complete ***.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

So everyone getting a year older is a worse team just because Simone and KO are gone? That means that Walker/Keyonte/Hendricks are complete ***.

Simone/KO/Dunn all gone. Even THT with his nonsense was one of our better on/off guys. 3.5 rotation pieces replaced by rookies and second year guys.

 

[sip]

So everyone getting a year older is a worse team just because Simone and KO are gone? That means that Walker/Keyonte/Hendricks are complete ***.

You always seem to be giving our players the benefit of the doubt and downplay opposing teams. Yes our players will likely improve but you can say the same thing about a bunch of the teams above us. Also the margin of difference from a starting point is pretty wide when it comes to us improving enough to jump the teams that may stagnate or regress a little bit. The clippers are the only team in the west that had talent subtraction with the loss of George and even then I think they are still a better team than us if Kawhi and Harden are somewhat healthy and they have zero incentive to tank.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Sexton has two years left on his deal. What are we tanking for? We going to ask Sexton to sit some games so we can draft a guard, the most likely outcome given 3 of the 5 consensus top guys are guards (Harper/Edgecombe/Traore), who will replace you or limit your minutes in your contract year?

You either trade Sexton or have him play balls out. Don’t think that dude is wired for in between. I understand the pro-tank mentality, but I think that ship sailed when the Jazz lucked out and got a franchise player to build around in the Mitchell trade. I don’t think they have the ability to tank more effectively than they could have that season, but they screwed the pooch by going into the year with too many good players like Conley, Olynyk and Clarkson. Oh well. I guess we’ll see what DA has planned in the next few days.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You always seem to be giving our players the benefit of the doubt and downplay opposing teams. Yes our players will likely improve but you can say the same thing about a bunch of the teams above us. Also the margin of difference from a starting point is pretty wide when it comes to us improving enough to jump the teams that may stagnate or regress a little bit. The clippers are the only team in the west that had talent subtraction with the loss of George and even then I think they are still a better team than us if Kawhi and Harden are somewhat healthy and they have zero incentive to tank.

We also tend to assume every other team will have injuries and we won't. Like if Sexton has some hamstring issues like 2 years ago he misses half the season and we are firmly in the bottom 5. Lauri has a shoulder injury we milk for 25 games...

I think the key to the tank is sucking out of the gate. Instead of going 10-3 like we did in 2022 if we had gone 3-10 it makes things so much easier. Starting 10-10 or some **** means the plug has to get pulled hard.

 

[fishonjazz]

So everyone getting a year older is a worse team just because Simone and KO are gone? That means that Walker/Keyonte/Hendricks are complete ***.

It means the entire team is younger.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

It means the entire team is younger.

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The key players are a year older...

 

[KqWIN]

We also tend to assume every other team will have injuries and we won't. Like if Sexton has some hamstring issues like 2 years ago he misses half the season and we are firmly in the bottom 5. Lauri has a shoulder injury we milk for 25 games...

I think the key to the tank is sucking out of the gate. Instead of going 10-3 like we did in 2022 if we had gone 3-10 it makes things so much easier. Starting 10-10 or some **** means the plug has to get pulled hard.

Any team is capable of a hot start and that includes the Jazz….I just think it’s a lot less likely than year’s past. We don’t have a team of vets and if the roster stands as is I don’t think there is any expectation that we compete for anything. We’re not going to start out 100% full tank…but I think we’re also going to play in a way/manage injuries that does not maximize wins. The veil is already somewhat lifted. We’re not gonna have any nonsense about people saying we’re trying to win to convey the pick, for example.

There will be a time where we pull the plug. I think it will come earlier this year. Hardy has proven to be fully complicit in a tanking/development effort, so I have no idea why he would be against it when the incentives are much greater and the chances of competing are much worse.

Lauri and Sexton are excellent, but they don’t exactly have the cleanest health records and it’s easier to pull the plug when your talent is concentrated in a fewer amount of players. We’re built more for a 7 game series than an 82 game season. Methinks that we are likely to advance to the different stages of tanking quicker than last year. I’d argue that we are already more advanced given that we don’t even have the reliable vets to trade this time around.