Jazz Sign Patty Mills

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Eh, there really isn’t a fire sale to be had. Most of the vets are gone. Sexton/Kessler have value, but they can obviously be part of the future as well. Collins and Clarkson have no market.

I don’t consider this roster to be similar to previous rosters on opening day despite people hammering that point for some reason.

And no one thought Simone was going to be a trade deadline player last off-season... And again, a lot of people on the forum thought KO/Ochai were legitimately bad during the season and no one saw the Jazz being able to get a first rounder for them.

The Jazz will try to do a fire sale of the vets they don't view as long term pieces. That's going to happen. Will they be successful? Remains to be seen. A lot can happen. An expiring piece on a contender might have a season ending injury and suddenly someone is interested in Jordan Clarkson if he's having a solid season.

 

[KqWIN]

Patty is going to play some amount of minutes over Collier and there will certainly be a lot of complaining about. Heck, maybe I’ll do it….but realistically that’s probably just a matter of entertainment. I don’t think it’s necessarily better for development to throw Collier into the fire and at the end of the day his development isn’t going to be decided by playing a few hundred more minutes his rookie year….especially when he’s going to be getting much more minutes in the GLeague.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Solid locker room vet but hopefully he doesn't see the court.

He will see the court. I doubt he signed up to never play.

 

[KqWIN]

And no one thought Simone was going to be a trade deadline player last off-season... And again, a lot of people on the forum thought KO/Ochai were legitimately bad during the season and no one saw the Jazz being able to get a first rounder for them.

The Jazz will try to do a fire sale of the vets they don't view as long term pieces. That's going to happen. Will they be successful? Remains to be seen. A lot can happen. An expiring piece on a contender might have a season ending injury and suddenly someone is interested in Jordan Clarkson if he's having a solid season.

OK….if something unlikely happens things will change. Im positive the Jazz will fire sale if they have fireside assets, but as it stands right now, they don’t have those guys. I’m not comparing rosters on the basis on unpredictable things that may or may not happen. I’m comparing the rosters based on what we know. The opening day rosters of previous years had way more established vets that were obvious fire sale candidates.

Also, no revisionist history about KO getting a first round pick. “No one saw the Jazz able to get a first rounder”. Come on man, I don’t know why you make this stuff up.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Here is some more info on Patty. He just barely turned 36 this month. This is his 15th year in the league. Here are some stats from Patty Mills for the last 3 seasons:

2021/2022 - BKN - 81 games, 29.0mpg, 11.4ppg, 40.8/40/81.4 shooting splits, 2.3apg
2022/2023 - BKN - 40 games, 14.2mpg 6.2ppg, 40.8/40/83.3 shooting splits, 1.4apg
2023/2024 - ATL/MIA - 32 games, 13mpg, 4ppg, 35.1/27.6/100 shooting splits, 1.1apg

I assume his drop off in minutes and games were due to injuries, but I can't find anything. It looks like he just fell out of the rotation.

 

[NUMBERICA]

A couple days ago I was driving and saw someone driving a vehicle that looked just like Patty Mills. I seriously thought it was him initially for a second before I realized there's no reason he would be here. Can't remember where it was, either, so it was probably Utah county and it didn't look like a rental. Very unlikely it was him but it was funny.

One time I came out of my apartment on 5th East and 5th South in SLC, and right as I got on the sidewalk, a jogger - a tall, bald, black jogger with baseballs in his calves - ran past me. My immediate instinct was that this might be not just a random basketball player, but Ray Allen, and as I kinda gawked this figure as he kept moving off in the distance, I became more and more confident that it was.

I looked at the Jazz schedule when I got home and the Jazz were playing the Celtics the next night (and the Grand America Hotel is just four blocks away from where I was and is usually where opposing teams stay when they visit).

 

[NUMBERICA]

Great culture signing. Jazz are gonna have to get all-time filthy to be a bottom-5 team.

I’m pretty sick of this dance.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

OK….if something unlikely happens things will change. Im positive the Jazz will fire sale if they have fireside assets, but as it stands right now, they don’t have those guys. I’m not comparing rosters on the basis on unpredictable things that may or may not happen. I’m comparing the rosters based on what we know. The opening day rosters of previous years had way more established vets that were obvious fire sale candidates.

Also, no revisionist history about KO getting a first round pick. “No one saw the Jazz able to get a first rounder”. Come on man, I don’t know why you make this stuff up.

Nothing made up. Straight facts.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

OK….if something unlikely happens things will change. Im positive the Jazz will fire sale if they have fireside assets, but as it stands right now, they don’t have those guys. I’m not comparing rosters on the basis on unpredictable things that may or may not happen. I’m comparing the rosters based on what we know. The opening day rosters of previous years had way more established vets that were obvious fire sale candidates.

Also, no revisionist history about KO getting a first round pick. “No one saw the Jazz able to get a first rounder”. Come on man, I don’t know why you make this stuff up.

At this point most of the unlikely events that could happen will result in long term wins for the Jazz. Maybe JC goes human torch (makes him tradeable) or Collins POPS and its limited... but if Svi or Juzang are as good as Tech was last year... thats a bargain 4 year deal right there. Will be worth a first or just keeping around. Sexton goes supernova or something... is that an L? Outside of Patty going on a heater for a month I'm not sure I see an unlikely event that isn't flipped or capitalized on in some way.

 

[KqWIN]

Nothing made up. Straight facts.

That part about "nobody thought we could get a first". That's the same kind of fact as when you tried to change the definition of replacement level.

 

[HermanG]

I don’t consider this roster to be similar to previous rosters on opening day despite people hammering that point for some reason.

Many are seeing scenarios where we could end up overperforming expectations again, but I dont think anyone has said we will definitively be as good as last year.

You on the other hand have said we will definitively be bad and keep repeating that at every turn.

So who is the one doing the hammering?

 

[KqWIN]

At this point most of the unlikely events that could happen will result in long term wins for the Jazz. Maybe JC goes human torch (makes him tradeable) or Collins POPS and its limited... but if Svi or Juzang are as good as Tech was last year... thats a bargain 4 year deal right there. Will be worth a first or just keeping around. Sexton goes supernova or something... is that an L? Outside of Patty going on a heater for a month I'm not sure I see an unlikely event that isn't flipped or capitalized on in some way.

Exactly. I like the way the roster is position and I've been saying it for awhile. Not necessarily because I love our win/tank position, but because there's a point to everyone being on the team. I may still think about trading Sexton/Kessler, but I understand why you may think they have a part in the future. It's not pointless to have them on the roster. The only veteran fluff is JCx2....but the point of them being on the roster is that you can't really move them. We don't have any vets that can be traded of value who also have no place in the future. If anyone surprises and becomes one of those guys (JCx2 or Svi/Juzang/Eubanks) they can be traded or a decision can be made that they are part of the Sexton/Kessler group.

The only "bad" thing that can happen is if JCx2 play well but still don't generate a market....but what are we to do? Dump assets to get rid of them? We probably can't even do that if we wanted. It's an L but we just have to live with the consequences of our previous decisions and try to bench them later in the year.