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Safetydan said:
I do blame the democrats. That's what I'm saying. But it's not because they dumped Biden (good!) but because they assumed it was only because he was old. I don't think Kamala sucks because she has bad vibes and says dumb ****. I think she sucks because her and her campaign have dodged a bold policy agenda, capitulated to right-wing framing on multiple issues, and significantly moderated post-DNC. This slowly killed off the momentum wave they finally had when they reluctantly listened to their base by dumping Brandon. At that time it was unclear what they were going to do, They had an opportunity to galvanize their support at that moment but cowered away.
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Any specifics on what the bold winning policy agenda should have looked like in your opinion?
 
Sardines said:
You are 100% right. I'm making light of it, but this is a real issue and it absolutely has been affecting me along with everyone. Higher food prices are harder on poor people, who spend MUCH more of their total income than more wealthy people.

We are in different situations as inflation in the U.S. has been less than what the world in general has experienced, by a significant amount. Inflation has still been significant. I know the price of eggs, milk, and gas are used because these are very relatable prices that we are likely to be familiar with.

I joke because people act like Biden did something that caused this, apparently for the U.S. and the entire rest of the world. There was going to be inflation following the COVID pandemic, even if Trump had been reelected.
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Except… most working class people are making a lot more than they were under Trump. They’ve actually had a net increase in take home pay. Are we sure we’re basing these views off evidence or vibes?
 
Rubashov said:
Cost of living is a real pressure for a lot of people on low incomes, a block of chocolate here is $8.80, packet of sliced cheese 12 dollars. Its obscene.

What most people are completely unaware of is that governments have very little influence on the economy.
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Inflation in America has gone down over the past year. It has also been lower than literally every other industrialized country in the world. Over the course of the last four years unemployment has disappeared, the work force is at full strength, and wages have increased. This past summer saw new records for travel. Restaurants are full and consumer spending has skyrocketed. Survey after survey have shown that people believe their personal finances to be much better than they were under Trump but suspect the nation’s economy to be worse. A complete paradox that I believe has been helped by the media confusing (disinforming) viewers.

Are we basing our economic views on actual outcomes? Or are we basing them off the media narratives and social media algorithms we’re fed? Remember now, the media needs Biden’s economy to be bad because he hasn’t fed them any controversies. And social media companies need you sad and angry, because that keeps you on their sites for clicks.

Studies are now showing what I’ve long suspected; reality no longer matters for millions of Americans. It’s all about vibes.

www.brookings.edu

The paradox between the macroeconomy and household sentiment | Brookings

Despite indications of a strong economy by traditional metrics, consumer sentiment continues to have a negative view.
www.brookings.edu www.brookings.edu
 
Safetydan said:
I do blame the democrats. That's what I'm saying. But it's not because they dumped Biden (good!) but because they assumed it was only because he was old. I don't think Kamala sucks because she has bad vibes and says dumb ****. I think she sucks because her and her campaign have dodged a bold policy agenda, capitulated to right-wing framing on multiple issues, and significantly moderated post-DNC. This slowly killed off the momentum wave they finally had when they reluctantly listened to their base by dumping Brandon. At that time it was unclear what they were going to do, They had an opportunity to galvanize their support at that moment but cowered away.
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The data doesn’t support your opinion


View: https://x.com/iansams/status/1849569892258689397?s=46


And


View: https://x.com/justinwolfers/status/1849443288782131656?s=46


If Harris has erased Trump’s lead on economic issues and when given a blind survey, voters overwhelming support Democratic policies, how can you blame the Democratic policy agenda for anything?
 
The Thriller said:
Inflation in America has gone down over the past year. It has also been lower than literally every other industrialized country in the world. Over the course of the last four years unemployment has disappeared, the work force is at full strength, and wages have increased. This past summer saw new records for travel. Restaurants are full and consumer spending has skyrocketed. Survey after survey have shown that people believe their personal finances to be much better than they were under Trump but suspect the nation’s economy to be worse. A complete paradox that I believe has been helped by the media confusing (disinforming) viewers.

Are we basing our economic views on actual outcomes? Or are we basing them off the media narratives and social media algorithms we’re fed? Remember now, the media needs Biden’s economy to be bad because he hasn’t fed them any controversies. And social media companies need you sad and angry, because that keeps you on their sites for clicks.

Studies are now showing what I’ve long suspected; reality no longer matters for millions of Americans. It’s all about vibes.

www.brookings.edu

The paradox between the macroeconomy and household sentiment | Brookings

Despite indications of a strong economy by traditional metrics, consumer sentiment continues to have a negative view.
www.brookings.edu www.brookings.edu
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I would suggest other factors are driving economic pessimism, lack of social mobility, insecure and underemployment, unaffordable housing. Having more money means very little if you have no purchasing power for things that actually matter. Housing, education, health, a night at a restaurant is an easily justifiable expense, a large mortgage without job security and the hope of promotion is another thing.

The reality is, most people under 40 are going to have a significantly worse standard of living than their parents. And just you ****ing wait until the price of global warming really starts to **** the economy, add to that in America at some point your going to have to start paying back your colossal ****ing debt you owe the world and ill give you a tip it wont be corporations or shareholders that do the heavy lifting.
 
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Rubashov said:
I would suggest other factors are driving economic pessimism, lack of social mobility, insecure and underemployment, unaffordable housing. Having more money means very little if you have no purchasing power for things that actually matter. Housing, education, health, a night at a restaurant is an easily justifiable expense, a large mortgage without job security and the hope of promotion is another thing.

The reality is, most people under 40 are going to have a significantly worse standard of living than their parents. And just you ****ing wait until the price of global warming really starts to **** the economy, add to that in America at some point your going to have to start paying back your colossal ****ing debt you owe the world and ill give you a tip it wont be corporations or shareholders that do the heavy lifting.
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But this isn’t the reality, you’re reporting on vibes. It’s a perception, fueled by boredom, untreated mental illness, social media, and entitlement.

People aren’t unemployed nor underemployed. Wages for working class people have been increasing more under Biden than they ever did under Trump.

Those most angry at democracy and fueling Trump’s campaign aren’t those who are struggling with housing or economics. If poverty is what’s fueling this anger, then we’d be seeing populists rising in poor countries when in fact, they’re rising in some of the richest. We’d be seeing poor working class people making up the bulk of Trump’s support instead of seeing the majority of his support coming from the highest economic brackets.
 
The Thriller said:
But this isn’t the reality, you’re reporting on vibes. It’s a perception, fueled by boredom, untreated mental illness, social media, and entitlement.

People aren’t unemployed nor underemployed. Wages for working class people have been increasing more under Biden than they ever did under Trump.

Those most angry at democracy and fueling Trump’s campaign aren’t those who are struggling with housing or economics. If poverty is what’s fueling this anger, then we’d be seeing populists rising in poor countries when in fact, they’re rising in some of the richest. We’d be seeing poor working class people making up the bulk of Trump’s support instead of seeing the majority of his support coming from the highest economic brackets.
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My guess is, like me you're not a 30 something working a menial job with crippling school debts? demographics more than ever will have a significant impact on your outlook.
 
Btw, it should be noted that in credible polls, Harris is doing just fine. It’s a close race but she’s ahead in nearly all swing states. The fact is, Trump and Trump friendly media have “flooded the zone” with **** polls to accomplish three objectives:

1. Sway other polling. If they provide him with the perception of momentum, it might actually help his campaign.
2. Keeps the base loyal and charged. Especially if they need to stage another pusch if they lose.
3. The goal of 21st century autocrats isn’t to inform but to misinform. If Trump is seen as inevitable then resistance will fall (at least they hope).

RCP is owned by a known trumper. It’s polling is skewed because it takes into its average all of the crappy polling that Trump’s supporters publish.

As usual, I bring the receipts.

www.dailykos.com

Numerous red-wave pollsters falsely skew the average toward Trump

Simon Rosenberg has consistently pointed out how Trump-aligned groups flood polling averages in battleground states to skew political analysis. This is what happened in 2022 that got the media talking about an impending red wave that didn't...
www.dailykos.com
 
Rubashov said:
My guess is, like me you're not a 30 something working a menial job with crippling school debts? demographics more than ever will have a significant impact on your outlook.
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Sigh

It’s like nothing I write matters

It’s fine, maintain your same opinion, no matter what the evidence tells you.

Has this always happened? I seem to remember in the early to mid 2000s people actually exchanging thoughts and ideas on this website. Seems so stagnant now. I remember having some lovely discussions with posters about gay marriage and Iraq when I first joined this website and they were fantastic. People changed their minds often.

Btw, I actually do have student loans that I’m paying off. You should learn more about fellow posters before painting them in a broad brush. You should also actually read their posts too. Often, theyll provide you links answering questions or refuting pts you’ve made. It’s part of the learning process
 
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