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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

Saint Cy of JFC said:
So is Tre better than Bambi Bailey?
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i don't think there is any question he is better right now - he's better than pretty much everybody right now. however, Bailey is about 6 months younger, is a better athlete and is 6'9" to Tre's 6'5/6'6". iow, there is some upside with Bailey that can't be accounted for in terms of current side by side play comparison.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
He's been more impressive to date, in my opinion.

He's averaging 21.1 on 48/44/84 splits. There's probably a good argument that he's been the most consistently good Freshman this year, he's only had one really bad shooting game. I wish he had more assists and stocks to get really excited about him.

I'm pretty sure if he was putting up these numbers last year he would be the clear cut number one pick.
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That's probably Derik Queen
 
Ace's upside is really difficult to determine as his feel for the game and handle are so bad that it's not clear either could ever become good and without being good in those areas, he's just MPJ or MPJ lite.

It's like

1. Flagg
2. Harper


3. Tre
4. Queen
5-20: A bunch of other guys
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Derik Queen once again dominating a good team.
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If Queen starts hitting threes at 40% like he did last game I will just need yall to bare with me okay. I will likely get wild and yall just need to let me breathe okay? I'm going to say some **** and I don't need it to be held against me.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
  1. Flagg
  2. Kasper
  3. Harper
  4. Demin
  5. Queen
  6. Johnson
  7. Bailey
  8. Essengue
  9. Edgecombe
  10. Fland
  11. Newell
  12. Sanon
  13. Traore
  14. Philon
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I know this is just your board, but with Queen do you think he is able to jump top 7-10ish by year end? He seems pretty low on some of the more prominent draft boards and I'm guessing some of that is info circulating back to folks from NBA scouts/personnel. I think the NBA is still skeptical or slow to come around on certain player types and I think Queen might end up being the guy drafted in the mid first that is obviously good and teams couldn't fit him in their player archetype/bucket.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I know this is just your board, but with Queen do you think he is able to jump top 7-10ish by year end? He seems pretty low on some of the more prominent draft boards and I'm guessing some of that is info circulating back to folks from NBA scouts/personnel. I think the NBA is still skeptical or slow to come around on certain player types and I think Queen might end up being the guy drafted in the mid first that is obviously good and teams couldn't fit him in their player archetype/bucket.
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Vaccine is super low on him. In the last Game Theory Pod I listened to he had Queen at like 37 and said he couldn't imagine him higher than the 20's. The main point was he hates his defense and doesn't think you can play a center in the NBA that doesn't defend.

I think in general him being mocked lower than his production would suggest is due to fit concerns in the NBA. I think if he starts hitting 3's then that question goes away.
 
Derik Queen will be 20 in three weeks. Ace Bailey for example just turned 18 in August. That's a pretty significant difference. FWIW, I don't take much away from Queen for being one of the older freshmen (regardless of age, he is still just in his second month of college basketball and dominating), but i do give a guy like Bailey (Flagg too) a bit of a pass for being as young as they are. As a 6'9" athlete with a pure stroke as his strengths, and with weaknesses such as inconsistency, inefficiency, taking too many hard shots, turnovers, etc - those are things that come with age and experience. you can't teach the height, the athleticism and it can be tough to teach the pure stroke, but with experience those other things can be greatly improved.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I know this is just your board, but with Queen do you think he is able to jump top 7-10ish by year end? He seems pretty low on some of the more prominent draft boards and I'm guessing some of that is info circulating back to folks from NBA scouts/personnel. I think the NBA is still skeptical or slow to come around on certain player types and I think Queen might end up being the guy drafted in the mid first that is obviously good and teams couldn't fit him in their player archetype/bucket.
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I think it's pretty possible. I think outside of the top 3 everything is pretty fluid.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Vaccine is super low on him. In the last Game Theory Pod I listened to he had Queen at like 37 and said he couldn't imagine him higher than the 20's. The main point was he hates his defense and doesn't think you can play a center in the NBA that doesn't defend.

I think in general him being mocked lower than his production would suggest is due to fit concerns in the NBA. I think if he starts hitting 3's then that question goes away.
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I get what he's getting at, but Sengun exist and he's on a top 5 defense. Queen's been an overall good defender at the college level. I think sometimes people just overthink these players who dont look physically impressive

Also Sam's a moron who continues to rank Kon highly

But that's ok. I get some people dont like to make big jumps from their pre-season rankings.

I think the Kon people just need to admit they got duped.
 
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I watched a couple of games of Kasparas Jakusionis and really liked him. His playing style and confidence gives flashes of (a much taller) Chris Paul. Also, he looks like a player with a very high floor: if the Jazz draft him he is guaranteed to be a solid PG for them for years. At the very least he already looks like a much better PG than Collier. I am just not sure that Kasparas has as much of the franchise player potential as other players in the draft.

I would love the Jazz drafting him with the MN pick, while using our own for somebody else with the higher ceiling. I do not know if it is very realistic, though. The thing that may help the Jazz is that many other struggling teams already have someone at the PG position (Portland, Detroit, Charlotte, Indiana, Philadelphia, Sacramento) and may choose going for somebody else.
 
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