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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

Handlogten's Heros said:
VJ's shooting seems to be trending the right way. I think I will still have him top 4/5 at the end of the season... but to your actual point... yeah some people just want to have a dumb take I guess.
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VJ looked really good, really dynamic, at the Nike Hoop Summit last spring. He's a guy who is likely to rise during workouts. However, it's a question of what he projects to be in the NBA. At the moment, he looks like a defensive-minded combo-guard. Maybe he can take some reps on the ball like a Terry Rozier or Cason Wallace. I could see him go in the 7-10 range, in part because the draft seems to flatten out after the top 6 or 7 guys.
 
For the Jazz, I like:
  1. Flagg
  2. Harper
  3. Jakucionis
  4. Johnson (because he shoots and passes better than Bailey)
  5. Bailey (because he does have a very high ceiling, and it's possible he can be set up in more advantageous situations in the NBA than in college)
  6. Fears (because there's a chance he can be a high-end lead guard)
  7. At this point, I'd probably take a swing on Edgecombe just based on what he showed at Hoop Summit, but it depends in part on how he measures out at the Combine.
I think McNeeley is a lottery guy in this draft, and the way things are trending he might go ahead of Demin.
 
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Ian Jackson is probably a lottery guy in this draft. Can't deny that he gets buckets and he can set himself up off the dribble in different ways. Defense and passing are TBD, but if the Jazz end up running their offense through a playmaking wing, Jackson would be a nice complement who spaces the floor and creates for himself as a secondary option. He's putting up numbers and efficiency that are on par with Tre Johnson.
 
KqWIN said:
I would be thrilled with any of the top 3....I think 4-8 I'd be fine with and I think there will be one or more stars in that group, but I would feel underwhelmed after a full year of tanking.

1. Flagg



2. Harper
3. Kasparas


4. VJ
5. Ace
6. Tre

7. Fears
8. Demin
9. Traore

Other guys I like relative to mock positioning:

Philon
Wolf
Bryant
Fleming
Essengue
Sorber
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This is getting pretty close to my list also.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
VJ looked really good, really dynamic, at the Nike Hoop Summit last spring. He's a guy who is likely to rise during workouts. However, it's a question of what he projects to be in the NBA. At the moment, he looks like a defensive-minded combo-guard. Maybe he can take some reps on the ball like a Terry Rozier or Cason Wallace. I could see him go in the 7-10 range, in part because the draft seems to flatten out after the top 6 or 7 guys.
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Yeah if the shot was further along I would bet the ball skills develop and he unlocks some things. He's just one of those athletes that is different. I wonder if his ceiling is like a super Caruso... which is really nice... or if there is something more there. I like the indicators on the Stocks, rebounding and assist numbers... I can't shake the vision of him scoring for the Bahamas this summer. That is likely the outlier. I'm probably too high on him and if his shot goes sideways and his measurements come in even lower than the less inflated numbers being thrown out there I might have some additional doubts.
 
With VJ, unless his play changes during the year, will come to his measurements for me. If he is 6'2" it will get harder to draft him. If he is closer to 6'5" i would take a gamble on him. His athleticism is elite and is something you see in game. Sometime players are athletic but it doesn't show in game it does with show with VJ.

The big question with ace will him putting on muscles make his game better. He plays pretty soft and seems to avoid contact. Strength will hopefully help.

The player I want the most for the jazz is someone with great work ethic. I want to see how players improve. That usually shows a good work ethic. This is the reason I like Kam Jones.

I think Flagg had a good work ethic.
 
IMO, something missing from VJ's profile is elusiveness/agility with the ball. I think he's athletic enough, but perhaps his handle and footwork look like a bottleneck that makes him slow down. While VJ has more run/jump athleticism, he doesn't have that insane elusiveness that we saw from Mitchell. I think you can learn this, but to some degree you've either got it or you don't. He's looking like a future role player for me.

After the top 3 I'm left with lots of question marks about all the players so he's still the leader in that next tier for me.
 
I just wouldnt feel super excited betting on a 6'2 super athlete. If he starts to show some more on-ball juice as a creator thats one thing, but at this point he's extremely far away as a PG prospect to the point I dont think it's ever going to be a thing.

Sure, there's some defensive upside, but how much defensive upside can one really have at that size? It's not like he's dominant defender at Baylor outside of stocks.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I just wouldnt feel super excited betting on a 6'2 super athlete. If he starts to show some more on-ball juice as a creator thats one thing, but at this point he's extremely far away as a PG prospect to the point I dont think it's ever going to be a thing.

Sure, there's some defensive upside, but how much defensive upside can one really have at that size? It's not like he's dominant defender at Baylor outside of stocks.
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I don’t think he’s 6’5, but I think calling 6’2 is just unnecessary hyperbole. I’m not one to agonize over an inch anyways. His ability to defend bigger guys, rebound, make plays etc…..that matters more to be than the measurables.

His size prohibits me from thinking he’s top 3 or close to it….but I don’t think the other guys are particularly close to the top 3 either. Demin, Tre, Ace….hard for me to be super excited about them. VJ’s stock has fallen for me but only Kas has surpassed him.
 
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