Following Potential 2025 Draftees

[bigmike]

No, late 2nd

Yang anywhere in the 2nd strikes me as excellent value.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

What type of prospect are you hoping the Jazz select with 21?

- International Man of Mystery
- Lotto mocked prospect that falls
- Older prospect that might be overlooked
- Other

Name names if you want

I hope the Jazz pick the best non-center defensive difference maker available.

Potentially available at the slot could be Philon or Fleming.

Names I don't like as much could include Yaxel, Thiero, Byrd.

 

[KqWIN]

Tre Johnson's an incredibly elite shooter, but he's got like... absolutely nothing off the dribble.

His moves look fine when you first start watching him, but he gets literally no separation ever. Just doesn't have the tools to beat anyone.

Definitely going to have be mostly an off-ball shooter in the NBA who can like dribble a little off screens.

I have him like #3, because... Well, there's no one else to put at #3... But he's a weak #3 prospect.

Being able to shoot off the dribble is not nothing, though I agree with the general idea of his post that his ability to attack the basket and actually beat his man is not great.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

What type of prospect are you hoping the Jazz select with 21?

- International Man of Mystery
- Lotto mocked prospect that falls
- Older prospect that might be overlooked
- Other

Name names if you want

I thought Sergio de Larrea would have been a very cool pick for the Jazz, but alas... The normal thing for the Jazz to do would be to take Rasheer Fleming at #21, assuming he's there. Otherwise, I could see the Jazz take Traore or Richardson if they're still available.

I could see the Jazz moving off of this pick one way or another. They could make a move for Carter Bryant or maybe Kasparas if he starts slipping. Or they could trade back a bit and take someone like Drake Powell, Noah Penda or maybe Thiero. The question with Drake Powell is whether he can be close to a shut-down defender, while providing enough shooting and ball movement to keep the offense moving.

I like Philon, but I'm not entirely convinced he'd be better than Collier overall. I think Philon really needs to play at the 1.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

It feels like Tre is trending up and Ace is trending down, even without looking at this. If Ace is there at 5 and that’s where we end up, hallelujah. I think the least excited I’d be is if VJ is there at 5. I kinda just don’t see it.

Liam McNeely doesn’t do anything at an NBA level. He’s on my short list of do not draft. For a top recruit playing on the perennial conference champs in a pretty weak conference, his BPM is bad. His TS% is bad despite being the height of a college big and a rep as a lights out shooter. He’s a hustle player and was barely positive in DBPM (0.8!), dwarfed by the likes of Danny Wolf (5.2!!!) who is supposed to be terrible defensively and played against way better competition. His only saving grace at this juncture is that he’s a freshman, if he played one more year near this level he would be projected in the mid-2nd at best.

McNeeley had a bad year, but I don't think he's a bad prospect, especially at 21. His injury, role, and normal Freshman adjustment to the college game can explain some of the numbers being bad. He had enough big games to see the potential. I don't think anyone who has followed him for a long time is concerned about his shooting.

I think McNeeley ends up being the guy that does everything just well enough that he is an extremely useful player, or the guy that doesn't do anything at an elite level, and so struggles to find a role in the NBA.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Schmitz was gonna be an ESPN darling though. He was great on TV. He was the president of summer league too... people lit up when he was around and team personnel were like crawling over themselves to say hi. When he left I think DX became a complete afterthought.

FWIW, Schmitz isn't the ESPN analyst I was thinking of. This guy was a contemporary of Chad Ford and John Hollinger, and he occasionally did podcasts with David Locke since the two worked together in Seattle.

Edit: Kevin Pelton

 

[SoberasHotRod]

I thought Sergio de Larrea would have been a very cool pick for the Jazz, but alas... The normal thing for the Jazz to do would be to take Rasheer Fleming at #21, assuming he's there. Otherwise, I could see the Jazz take Traore or Richardson if they're still available.

I could see the Jazz moving off of this pick one way or another. They could make a move for Carter Bryant or maybe Kasparas if he starts slipping. Or they could trade back a bit and take someone like Drake Powell, Noah Penda or maybe Thiero.

I like Philon, but I'm not entirely convinced he'd be better than Collier overall.

If the past 2 drafts are any indication, I don't think the Jazz will pick Fleming. I would say DA is much more likely to pick the guy who falls.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What type of prospect are you hoping the Jazz select with 21?

- International Man of Mystery
- Lotto mocked prospect that falls
- Older prospect that might be overlooked
- Other

Name names if you want

Guy who slides on draft night. Potential candidates - Queen, Fears, Kas, Jase

I get that its unlikely but Whitmore, Collier, Knecht, Sengun had big or slight slides that ended up in that general range. A guy can dream.

Otherwise I think Flemming, Bryant, McNeeley, Egor or Traore are all bets I'd like or understand.

Not a lot of guys I'd hate tbh.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

If the past 2 drafts are any indication, I don't think the Jazz will pick Fleming. I would say DA is much more likely to pick the guy who falls.

I get it. I think Fleming is going to end up ranked higher than #21 and he'd be considered good value at #21. I could see McNeeley getting to #21. I'm ambivalent about him, but I'd understand the pick.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Jazz like positional size, length, athleticism and shooting. Of course, so does every other team. But these criteria would make it surprising if the Jazz took Jase Richardson, for example.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Guy who slides on draft night. Potential candidates - Queen, Fears, Kas, Jase

I get that its unlikely but Whitmore, Collier, Knecht, Sengun had big or slight slides that ended up in that general range. A guy can dream.

Otherwise I think Flemming, Bryant, McNeeley, Egor or Traore are all bets I'd like or understand.

Not a lot of guys I'd hate tbh.

A guy who is likely to fall is Sorber due to his injury. I'm not sure he's the type of player the Jazz would want though. Another guy I could see slip compared to the overall consensus is Asa Newell. After the Combine, teams may realize that he's more or less Precious Achiuwa.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Guy who slides on draft night. Potential candidates - Queen, Fears, Kas, Jase

I get that its unlikely but Whitmore, Collier, Knecht, Sengun had big or slight slides that ended up in that general range. A guy can dream.

Otherwise I think Flemming, Bryant, McNeeley, Egor or Traore are all bets I'd like or understand.

Not a lot of guys I'd hate tbh.

I could see Queen falling. Maybe not that far, but I could see teams scared about his defense, taking plays off, fit on their team, etc.

He's also the kind of guy that if he starts falling outside of his projected range, teams might be scared based on limited intel.