Tre Johnson Will Likely be The 5th Pick

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

For The Record...

I've said this before, but I'll say it again a little more strongly worded:

Tre Johnson is the third best prospect in this draft class, but I would still prefer the Jazz to take someone else.

I think he’s one of the most exciting pure scoring guard prospects since Ray Allen. You don’t like the archetype?

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I guess it makes sense to collect all the role players so when we finally get “that guy” we’d be ready to go.

After Tre I don’t see anyone better.

 

[framer]

So Treigh then.

This is really low effort. You didn't use ALL the vowels.

 

[LogGrad98]

This is really low effort. You didn't use ALL the vowels.

No this is just what is trending in Utah right now. I have seen a glut of Ashleighs and Bayleighs and Courtneighs and such recently. So Treigh seemed to fit for that Utah vibe.

The Courtneigh one was particularly funny when I pointed out that part of her name is what a horse says. They didn't like that. And frankly, she kind of resembles a horse, so I guess it is a good fit.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I think he’s saying that he wasn’t as impressed with Edgecombe and is leaning more towards Tre now.

I got Ochai vibes off of VJ watching that game. I know it’s one game and not enough to go on, but there it is.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

No this is just what is trending in Utah right now. I have seen a glut of Ashleighs and Bayleighs and Courtneighs and such recently. So Treigh seemed to fit for that Utah vibe.

The Courtneigh one was particularly funny when I pointed out that part of her name is what a horse says. They didn't like that. And frankly, she kind of resembles a horse, so I guess it is a good fit.

Now that was high effort, now can you translate? Lol

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Locke is ADAMANT that Tre Johnson will not slip past 5, does not think he will make it to 5 either.

It's very possible that Ace is the guy who slips. The issue with Ace is that he needs to be an elite shot taker and shot maker to really have an impact. The rest of his game is pretty pedestrian. You could say the same about Tre to some extent, but the problem is Ace is that if he gets crowded, he doesn't get past guys off the dribble and shoots a fade-away instead. He doesn't have much in the way of counters. He's also not much of a passer. If he can't beat guys consistently at the NBA level, there's a chance he's underwhelming.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

I think he’s one of the most exciting pure scoring guard prospects since Ray Allen. You don’t like the archetype?

I like players who have well rounded games so that when the shooting is off they still provide value.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Here's the David Locke take...


View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZcTNUCSCB9k

 

[KqWIN]

honestly not that hard to reconcile. Tre played on a Texas team with very little spacing. they lacked offensive threats and elite shooters. Tre played against clogged lanes and defenses in the toughest conference in cbb geared to stop him. it's going to be tough sledding getting to and finishing at the rim under those circumstances.

But this is true for pretty much every college player. The spacing is bad for everyone, Tre is not a unique case. Fears played against the same level of competition on a team that was also not that good. What does that make him at the next level if the expectation is that it goes up because of poor spacing in college? What about a guy like CMB who was on an actual horrific team?

Reality is that this stuff typically trends the other direction. FTr and rim rate doesn't usually go up in the pros despite the increased spacing. The guys who turned into pros who get to the FT line and rim were able to do it in college. When it does happen, it's usually because a player was limited in his college role and not because he was tasked with doing too much.

 

[KqWIN]

It's very possible that Ace is the guy who slips. The issue with Ace is that he needs to be an elite shot taker and shot maker to really have an impact. The rest of his game is pretty pedestrian. You could say the same about Tre to some extent, but the problem is Ace is that if he gets crowded, he doesn't get past guys off the dribble and shoots a fade-away instead. He doesn't have much in the way of counters. He's also not much of a passer. If he can't beat guys consistently at the NBA level, there's a chance he's underwhelming.

This is indeed the same concern I have with Tre. Both elite shot makers, but neither gets to the hoop. I prefer Tre's shot making as he actually takes 3 pointers and consider him to be the better offensive prospect, but Ace is ahead of him for me as a total prospect.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

You could say the same about Tre to some extent

I feel like Tre is being scouted wrong. Hes a better defender than people think, he’s also a really good passer and super skilled. And according to combine numbers quite a bit more athletic than people realize.