Utah Jazz Select Walter Clayton Jr, Pick 18 (Trade)

[NAOS_pt2]

Brunson 2.0.

Flame away, my brodies

 

[KqWIN]

what did murray do better? enlighten me, please.

If you truly think the only way to evaluate players is through that simple scope, I've got nothing for you. I thought we were in a place where our analysis went beyond that but I guess not.

 

[sip]

I mean, the timeline fit is very weird because Ace is like 4-5 years away and Clayton is ready to go right now, but I guess the Jazz just picked two guys they liked.

Philosophically, it's kind of funny to take two blackholes to join a roster full of blackholes. At least these guys have defensive upside.

Clayton is such a bad fit with Keyonte, Sexton, and Clarkson that I assume we're trying to trade all three, but they've been trying and failing to trade a lot of these guys for minute.

Ace might be 4 to 5 years from entering his prime but he will likely be a really solid player by year 2.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

If you truly think the only way to evaluate players is through that simple scope, I've got nothing for you. I thought we were in a place where our analysis went beyond that but I guess not.

i'm asking you to teach me. tell me how murray was different that translated into him being a better player. i'm clearly missing something in your mind, but i don't know what that is. so help me out.

and it's okay if you don't have anything. i get it. sometimes it's just easier to tell people they are wrong.

 

[KqWIN]

i'm asking you to teach me. tell me how murray was different that translated into him being a better player. i'm clearly missing something in your mind, but i don't know what that is. so help me out.

Like I said, I don't have anything for you. I'm not able to explain to you how the context is different for a starting PG on a 54 win team and a player on a 17 win tanking team. I can't teach you to broaden your scope beyond PPG and APG. You'll have to figure out how players can have beyond that on your own. I wouldn't even know where to begin. I initially assumed we were close enough to have a conversation, we're not.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Like I said, I don't have anything for you. I'm not able to explain to you how the context is different for a starting PG on a 54 win team and a player on a 17 win tanking team. I can't teach you to broaden your scope beyond PPG and APG. You'll have to figure out how players can have beyond that on your own. I wouldn't even know where to begin. I initially assumed we were close enough to have a conversation, we're not.

lol. so adorable. you do condescending well. i'll give you that.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I dont know, Ive really talked myself into WCJ. I see the vision.

 

[jom2003]

Kas was coming back from injury, is three years younger, bigger, and vastly more skilled on the ball.

WCJ is a grinder and clutch, no doubt. As to whether that translates to the NBA level is a big question. Trey Burke was also clutch as all hell and that never mattered.

To me WCJ is the ultimate swing for the fence type of pick. More so than Bailey. If he translates, he will lead your offense with 20pt a game and become a perennial all-star candidate. If he doesn't translate, he is basically another Jimmer/Burke and will be out of the league in 3 years. Don't think there's any space in between given his size, defense and questionable playmaking. It also comes down to making his shots against NBA defense.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

To me WCJ is the ultimate swing for the fence type of pick. More so than Bailey. If he translates, he will lead your offense with 20pt a game and become a perennial all-star candidate. If he doesn't translate, he is basically another Jimmer/Burke and will be out of the league in 3 years. Don't think there's any space in between given his size, defense and questionable playmaking. It also comes down to making his shots against NBA defense.

Lmao jesus christ.

Payton Pritchard exist. There is a middle ground between him being an all-star or out of the league.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

One of the things that gives me hope on WCJ is that he weighs 200 lbs at his size. That's solid girth. That's usually a common link between the small guards who translate.

 

[Basketball Novice]

One of the things that gives me hope on WCJ is that he weighs 200 lbs at his size. That's solid girth. That's usually a common link between the small guards who translate.

I agree. With small guards, it's not all about length, girth matters as well.

 

[jom2003]

Lmao jesus christ.

Payton Pritchard exist. There is a middle ground between him being an all-star or out of the league.

Pritchard is definitely on the higher outcome. I do believe he will score close to 20ppg and be considered for all-star given where Boston is headed this upcoming season. Bar for “all-star candidate” isnt that high. I'm not saying Steph or bust. But someone like Jamal Murray(who never made all-star btw)/Pritchard would be ideal.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Pritchard is definitely on the higher outcome. I do believe he will score close to 20ppg and be considered for all-star given where Boston is headed this upcoming season.

Where is Boston heading?

 

[jom2003]

Where is Boston heading?

A retool. As things stand Pritchard is already their second/third option to start the season.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

A retool. As things stand Pritchard is already their second/third option to start the season.

So you think he's going to score 20 and be an all-star?

 

[jom2003]

So you think he's going to score 20 and be an all-star?

"Candidate". Plenty of all-star candidates never made it to all-star or only made it once. Lauri, for example. Haywood would be another.

 

[fishonjazz]

Of course not. Walter Clayton Jr. is a 6’2” combo guard that most would envision as a one more than a two at the next level.

Exactly. It was weird how you said that if Cody Williams takes a quantum leap then where does that leave Isaiah Collier since Cody's play doesn't do anything to Isiah.

 

[HadAnEffectHere]

Ace might be 4 to 5 years from entering his prime but he will likely be a really solid player by year 2.

He's going to need a lot more than a year or two to unlearn all his bad habits on defense and in making decisions, lol.

 

[KqWIN]

Where did he say that the only way to do something is anything?
He asked you for an example of something.
Not sure why that deserves you to be an *******.

I prefer to keep it moving instead of engaging with someone feigning ignorance.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

One thing about Hardy is that he has been able to level-up the passing ability of guards.

Clarkson/Keyonte/Sexton have all improved as passers under Hardy. Clayton might develop into a legitimate NBA PG under Hardy. Not saying he will be a point god, but someone who can organize an offensive effectively.