Training Camp 2025
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I'm pretty sure Jazz Training Camp starts on the 29th.
homeytennis
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AI says Media Day is the 29th and Camp starts the 30th.
PE much?
Lowe thinks Lauri is getting traded and DET is his favorite destination. I think it makes a lot of sense.
"I can't imagine a scenario where Lauri Markannen is on the Jazz in a year".
Starts at about 25 minutes
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxIE6jD-mSQ
"I can't imagine a scenario where Lauri Markannen is on the Jazz in a year".
Starts at about 25 minutes
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxIE6jD-mSQ
He's made similar comments in the past when I've listened to him. I don't get the feeling he has any specific inside knowledge from the Jazz or Lauri, but just sees the situation as one that doesn't make sense (a near all star player in his prime playing for a team that doesn't look like it can be competitive for a long time).
Personally I can imagine a lot of scenarios where Lauri is on the Jazz in a year, so maybe Lowe just lacks imagination (I'm kidding).
From the outside looking in, it doesn't make much sense for Lauri to be on a tanking team. I get what he's saying. I don't think he's traded, and it's because he doesn't have much value. He can always play his way back into value, but we are setting him up for failure on that front.
In past rebuilds we've always been fortunate enough to have rookie contract players breakout within a year or two. Post Stockton and Malone we had Andrei Kireilenko and then Deron Williams. Post Deron/Booz we had Gobert and Hayward then Mitchell. I think as Jazz fans our expectations have been set to usher in our new era within a few years of a previous era.
Having only 1 rookie contract player that looks like they can be a starting level player (Kessler) and 0 rookie contract players that look like they can be all star level players is a somewhat likely outcome, but an unfamiliar one for us Jazz fans. That said, if Ace looks like the real deal and a few more rookie contract players look like future pieces, there is a chance we could be in a much better place next off season.
I believe the free agent class next year should be much better than this year, plus we won't have any obligations on draft picks to anyone, plus we'll hopefully have another potential impact player from next year's draft. It's very possible, (probably still unlikely), that we are ready to start trying to be good as soon as next year.
Yeah there's no doubt that we mismanaged the Lauri situation. The half tank years were bad, but we still had an out by trading him before last season. We could have still gotten great value for him even if it wasn't the delusional value some around here thought we deserved. If Lauri has a so-so season, he's going to viewed as one of the worst contracts in the league. I actually think he needs a great season just to maintain his value at all. Teams aren't handing out max contracts like candy anymore.
Kessler, Lauri, Ace, Free Agent, Rookie Contract Player, 2026 Rookie, Rookie Contract Player, Free Agent
We need Ace and our 2026 rookie to be good, and 2 out of the 7 other rookie contract players to be rotation level players to have a solid 8 man rotation.
We need Ace and our 2026 rookie to be good, and 2 out of the 7 other rookie contract players to be rotation level players to have a solid 8 man rotation.
I wonder if there was ever a real package from SAS. I'm still not sad about missing out on anything that was reported from GSW.
I doubt it. One of the challenges with trading for Lauri is that many teams seem to be angling for Giannis. HOU and SAS, for example, have seemed like decent Lauri destinations. While I'd say they are both good fits for him, I don't think either team wants to give up their Giannis dream quite yet.
I'm pretty sad about missing out on the reported package from GSW....and since there's been some debate on what that actually is, I'm going by what Shams said which is "all the picks, but no Podz".
homeytennis
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I'm wondering what we do with our elderly players Love, Slo Mo, Mini Van, Svi and Nukich.
Eh, I'm not sad about not having Kuminga and late firsts when we already have too many young players to develop.
I like watching Lauri play basketball, I think he helps our young guys (no need to hash this argument out again, I know where you stand), and there is still a chance he can help us win games when we want to win.
I also don't really think there is much opportunity cost we are giving up by having his contract on our books right now.
I’d consider the Warriors picks post Curry premium and those are the assets I’m sad about missing out on.
I don’t think having Lauri vs another prospect affects development for other prospects, and while we don’t have much of an opportunity cost for keeping him we’re really not getting any value from having him. I enjoy watching Lauri play, but I find it more brutal to watch him in an environment where he is set up to fail and wasting his prime years.
I also don't think that Lauri is a negative contract (at least not yet). In that clip from Lowe he says that there are a lot of teams that want him.
He obviously needs to have a better year than last year, but I think that's very likely.
He obviously needs to have a better year than last year, but I think that's very likely.
I don't think Lauri has negative value, but he probably has 1/4 or 1/2 of the value he had at this time last year depending on how you rated him there. If he has a so-so season, he will be negative. He needs to perform at least at the level of his second season w/Utah. But even then, I'm not sure that level of performance as an instant max for all teams. I would agree that Lauri is a great fit along stars, but there is a difficulty fitting in that size of salary next to multiple star sized salaries. DET and POR make a lot of sense to me because they don't have too many massive, long term salary. TOR could also work because you'd be exchanging big salary.
I agree with all of this.