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Ringer Top 100, Lauri moved up, Kessler snub?

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The Ringer Top 100 list

I'm a bit surprised Walker still isn't in the top 100. Not sure Mitchell Robinson or Jabari Smith are better right now.

Lauri moved up 10 spots to #43. That feels about right. The Jazz are tied with Washington and Brooklyn for least players on the list (1), but Lauri is the highest rated over McCollum (WAS) and Porter Jr (Nets).

Anyone think the Jazz end up with 2 (or maybe 3?) on this list by the end of the year?
 
I don't think people know how to rank Kessler because his defenses have been so bad.

I think it's mostly because Hardy intentionally minimizes Kessler, but others may blame Kessler for how historically terrible the Jazz have been defensively in his career.

It's... really hard to finish 30th in defense two years in a row with a competent starting center.
 
Ace or Brice could flirt with the top 100 if they have good seasons. Kessler should be in there.

I don’t get the Zubac love. He’s not a top 50 guy, imo.
 
Overall I don't hate this top 100. There are some guys that are perpetually overrated and Walker should be on the list imo.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
I don't think people know how to rank Kessler because his defenses have been so bad.

I think it's mostly because Hardy intentionally minimizes Kessler, but others may blame Kessler for how historically terrible the Jazz have been defensively in his career.

It's... really hard to finish 30th in defense two years in a row with a competent starting center.
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Yeah I think that's a good point. I truly don't think it's Walker's fault, but that's a reasonable conclusion for analysts to make.
 
I feel like these lists are always too much influenced by name recognition and fan appeasing.

Walker was our best player last year and even if we could shrug off Lauri's year as "down year" I dont think anyone can argue that Kesslers year was an anomaly rather than progress.
 
Think Kessler should probably be in the top 100, but hard to really fault anyone trying to rank players in our situation.
 
Walter is probably in the 14-16 range among the centers and an average center is probably less valuable than an average SF or PG in the today's NBA. Especially the center who cannot hit 3-pointers, not a passer and not a good FT shooter.

There are 11 centers who are clearly better than Kessler (Jokic, Wemby, Towns, Embiid, Sabonis, AD (when he plays center), Zubac, Porzingis, Adebayo (when he plays center), Allen, Gobert).
Then there are several centers who are arguably on the same level as Kessler (Hartenstein, Poeltl, Turner, Chet (as a center), Lively, Ayton, Duren, Ware) - most people would put at least some of them ahead of Kessler.

I think what hurts Kessler the most is that he has never played in the postseason or on any good team. The media and fans know that Turner or Hartenstein could be relied on in the postseason but Kessler is a big unknown. Will he falter under pressure and, for example, start missing free throws in the clutch?
 
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jazznik said:
Walter is probably in the 14-16 range among the centers and an average center is probably less valuable than an average SF or PG in the today's NBA. Especially the center who cannot hit 3-pointers, not a passer and not a good FT shooter.

There are 11 centers who are clearly better than Kessler (Jokic, Wemby, Towns, Embiid, Sabonis, AD (when he plays center), Zubac, Porzingis, Adebayo (when he plays center), Allen, Gobert).
Then there are several centers who are arguably on the same level as Kessler (Hartenstein, Poeltl, Turner, Chet (as a center), Lively, Ayton, Duren, Ware) - most people would put at least some of them ahead of Kessler.

I think what hurts Kessler the most is that he has never played in the postseason or on any good team. The media and fans know that Turner or Hartenstein could be relied on in the postseason but Kessler is a big unknown. Will he falter under pressure and, for example, start missing free throws in the clutch?
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I don't think I or most anyone would argue that he should be ranked higher than 14 among centers--but if you split positions evenly than you'd expect a top 100 list to have the top 20 centers, more or less. It looks like you're right that centers aren't as highly represented in this list.

And yeah that's a good point about lack of postseason play.
 
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