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Game Thread Nov 13, 2025 07:00PM MT: Atlanta Hawks @ Utah Jazz

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Jazz nearly beat a team missing two starters on a second game of a back to back and people like "damn we might be too good"
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I agree that we don't need to be worried, but I think the counterpoint here is that we were close with a team that shot 51% from 3. If Okongwu shoots his normal percentage from 3, then we win.

Offensively we have a lot of players playing extremely well right now.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I agree that we don't need to be worried, but I think the counterpoint here is that we were close with a team that shot 51% from 3. If Okongwu shoots his normal percentage from 3, then we win.

Offensively we have a lot of players playing extremely well right now.
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The fact we don't guard the three point shot is what allows players to shoot such high percentages. Its not strange at all people shoot their highest percentages when wide *** open. Our defensive scheme ( or lack thereof) will ensure plenty of losses
 
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Im getting worried that this team is going to win more games than they should. A solid nucleus is forming and I'm not sure you can tell these guys who are starting to find their place to tone it down.
 
SoUjazzfan said:
The fact we don't guard the three point shot is what allows players to shoot such high percentages. Its not strange at all people shoot their highest percentages when wide *** open. Our defensive scheme ( or lack thereof) will ensure plenty of losses
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The Jazz were specifically leaving Okwongu wide open which seemed to be the game plan. It ended up not being a good game plan.

In general our defensive strategy is to protect the paint vs the 3pt line which is hard to watch sometimes, but at least works better than whatever we were doing last year since we are 24th in defense this year vs 30th the past two years. We are basically designed to live and die around opponent 3pt shooting variance.

The Jazz are currently 19th in opponent 3pt%. The statistic guys who study this generally say that opponent 3pt% is more random vs something a team can control. I'm not sure that makes sense to me since obviously players should make more when wide open vs tightly guarded.
 
The strategy might work if they could react after someone getting too hot from downtown, taking them out from open threes and maybe allow others shoot them until they get hot... Or if not, then react again. But the team has neither personnel or coach to draw good defense.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
The Jazz were specifically leaving Okwongu wide open which seemed to be the game plan. It ended up not being a good game plan.

In general our defensive strategy is to protect the paint vs the 3pt line which is hard to watch sometimes, but at least works better than whatever we were doing last year since we are 24th in defense this year vs 30th the past two years. We are basically designed to live and die around opponent 3pt shooting variance.

The Jazz are currently 19th in opponent 3pt%. The statistic guys who study this generally say that opponent 3pt% is more random vs something a team can control. I'm not sure that makes sense to me since obviously players should make more when wide open vs tightly guarded.
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You can't leave 90% of NBA players wide open anymore. Everyone can get hot if you give them all day.
 
underdog said:
Nurk made some terrific passes, leading the team with 8. Also had 10 rebounds, 5 steals, and was 2 assists away from a triple-double.
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When he's good he's making some really great plays, but he also has a ton of negative plays.

I think hea still an excellent 12 MPG kind of backup who can just dominate the glass, but he's such a bad finisher and his decision making as hub is a bit erratic.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
The Jazz were specifically leaving Okwongu wide open which seemed to be the game plan. It ended up not being a good game plan.

In general our defensive strategy is to protect the paint vs the 3pt line which is hard to watch sometimes, but at least works better than whatever we were doing last year since we are 24th in defense this year vs 30th the past two years. We are basically designed to live and die around opponent 3pt shooting variance.

The Jazz are currently 19th in opponent 3pt%. The statistic guys who study this generally say that opponent 3pt% is more random vs something a team can control. I'm not sure that makes sense to me since obviously players should make more when wide open vs tightly guarded.
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3P% is random as players will just take threes they can make so if you allow more open threes, you're probably allowing more semi-open threes that they'll also take.

3PAs *allowed* is very much not random.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
3P% is random as players will just take threes they can make so if you allow more open threes, you're probably allowing more semi-open threes that they'll also take.

3PAs *allowed* is very much not random.
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I understand the difference. The discussion in this thread is around 3pt%. Should we have expected Atlanta to shoot 51% based on our defense.

I think there is a difference between open and wide open with unlimited time (basically a practice shot) that the stats don't account for.
 
SoUjazzfan said:
The fact we don't guard the three point shot is what allows players to shoot such high percentages. Its not strange at all people shoot their highest percentages when wide *** open. Our defensive scheme ( or lack thereof) will ensure plenty of losses
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On the other hand I see dudes miss open threes on a regular basis. Not last night though. And they were making contested ones as well.
 
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