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Tremendous Upside said:
I didn't say anything about "leading". Not the same as creating shots (which people are obviously hoping he'll do eventually... he wasn't drafted to be another off ball player).

Anyway, just an observation. Right now, it seems that Ace's motor and off ball game are better than advertised and on ball game slightly worse than advertised. I have faith though.
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it was that you said "depend on" him to create shots" really the only guys this team depends on to create shots are key and lauri - the two leaders of the team. everybody else (including Ace) either just picks their spots or relies on other dudes to set them up. and yeah, he wasn't drafted to be another off ball player, but again, he's a 19 year old who has played about 20 nba games.

to be clear, i know you're not ripping him or being negative about him and we're probably basically on the same page about where he is at - just "voicing" things a tad different.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
Right now Ace plays much better when there's an actual offensive framework and other scorers around him. He's nowhere near ready for a role where we depend on him to create shots.
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Part of the reason that you’re hard to tolerate is because you post things that are so obvious even Thurl Bailey is noting them regularly, but you post them with this erudite authority - as if you’re the purveyor of some lost, esoteric knowledge.

This is a perfect example of that, and I’m letting you know so that you’ll stop. If you’re like this outside these forums, you’re going to have a very lonely life.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
it was that you said "depend on" him to create shots" really the only guys this team depends on to create shots are key and lauri - the two leaders of the team. everybody else (including Ace) either just picks their spots or relies on other dudes to set them up. and yeah, he wasn't drafted to be another off ball player, but again, he's a 19 year old who has played about 20 nba games.

to be clear, i know you're not ripping him or being negative about him and we're probably basically on the same page about where he is at - just "voicing" things a tad different.
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Overall Ace has been a pleasant surprise for me. I wasn't a fan of his game in college but I don't have a problem eating crow. I like that he's trying to find his path in the NBA by hustling, doing the little things and taking what the game gives him, instead of acting all entitled as a high pick on a bad team. His body language has been good throughout.

He's not a good pro player yet, but I believe he has a very high ceiling. He has a lot of work to do (finishing through contact, getting to the line, ballhandling), but that's normal. It's good that he already seems to have found a place in the Jazz offense.

Maybe someday he'll be a guy who'll carry that offense.
 
Since Ace has been starting he is shooting 62% from the field and over 38% from 3. Averaging over 14 points.
Anyone who thinks that isn't good has to be trolling
 
fishonjazz said:
Since Ace has been starting he is shooting 62% from the field and over 38% from 3. Averaging over 14 points.
Anyone who thinks that isn't good has to be trolling
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Who said anything about that very small, cherry picked set of stats not being "good"? This is just a dumb strawman.

I said that I like him a lot and he seems to have a very high ceiling, but he's not a winning player yet. That is literally an observation based on facts. Even Brice has a much bigger impact. As far as advanced stats go, Ace exists in the bottom third of the roster in every metric, together with dudes like Collier and Cody. Yes he "looks" much better than them, but we're not eye testing here.

Why do we always have to go overboard once a rookie shows some promise? Ace has plenty of time to get better. But like three months ago there were people here saying he should be our #1 option this season, based on a couple of very unserious summer league games.

Just let him grow at his own pace and stop making him something he's not.
 
Also nice that Ace is a willing, good passer who crashes the boards and has a high effort great motor.
Awesome to have a rookie who is already a good NBA player.

Sucks he got hurt

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Still a bit worried by just how bad he is at driving to score the basketball at the rim. Everything else I'm happy with.
 
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