Jaren Jackson Jr. traded to the Jazz

[SD Jazz]

What a trade, I love it! Memphis, ouch.

 

[Flc]

I don't think we needed a "star" who will bring his "star" baggage with him.

"Jaren Jackson Jr. ("JJJ") is widely regarded in the NBA as a high-character professional and a foundational talent. He has established a reputation as an elite, defensive-minded leader who brings a "class act" persona to the league, particularly during his time with the Memphis Grizzlies."

You keep saying that he's a "star" with "star baggage" - three different posts at this point - when all evidence points to the contrary. Are you just saying that because he's Black? Are you a racist, Tremendous Upside?

Those are racist quotation marks you're putting around star baggage, aren't they?

 

[NAOS_pt2]

Here's a research question for the hard-hitting analysts on this site:

Even at his peak, how much off-ball value did Ja Morant have?

My sense of things is (a) that Ja did not have very much off-ball value, and (b) this was the primary influence on the structure of the offense (that JJJ played in, obvi). If these senses are true, then I think it's fair to say that we can eventually see more out of JJJ than he's been asked to show for quite a while. It make take some time (see John Collins), but a fan can root for this kind of thing without being blindly optimistic.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

"Jaren Jackson Jr. ("JJJ") is widely regarded in the NBA as a high-character professional and a foundational talent. He has established a reputation as an elite, defensive-minded leader who brings a "class act" persona to the league, particularly during his time with the Memphis Grizzlies."

You keep saying that he's a "star" with "star baggage" - three different posts at this point - when all evidence points to the contrary.

It's not like that. From what I've seen and read, JJJ seems like... a nice guy. A beta type who will always defer to a stronger personality. In Memphis, that was always Morant. Jackson was an overpaid Robin to his Batman.

What I mean with "baggage" is that he'll bring with him the style of play that unfortunately made him a two-time All Star. Guys are not really going to change their games later in their careers when that happens.

The trouble is that it's very difficult to integrate his black hole, back-to-the-basket, ball stopping tendencies to a modern NBA offense. Lately, the Grizzlies have been trying to play at a faster pace, moving the ball, and it was clear JJJ was just confused by it, floating out on the fringes of the offense. He didn't know where to be or what to do if he didn't get his trusty, outdated low post touches.

Hardy has his work cut out for him. Our offense has looked really good with space and movement and both Lauri and Keyonte thrive in an environment like that. JJJ, on the other hand, needs spacers around him and a static offense. We'll see who gets the "parked in the corner" assignment.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Encouraged that Locke is not trying to sell us the idea that we don't need the pick. He's actually saying ... "29 more games and it's over"... Lets hope we really do tank as hard and as shamelessly as possible for the rest of the year.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WTzHIw7XpE

Locke has been saying all year the Jazz will do what it takes to keep the pick

 

[kcgar]

Plus Kawhi/Balmer/Aspirationgate. Plus the fumbled Europe expansion. Plus the Memphis owner's Putin weapon shipments. Plus the joke of the mid-season tournament that fans and teams (see: NYK banner decision) don't take seriously. Plus the lack of confidence in draft integrity after Doncic/Flagg.

He just isn't a good leader who bumbles his way through crises instead of solving them.

I was totally thinking of the Kawhi stuff when this topic came up.

 

[Tanktastic]

"Jaren Jackson Jr. ("JJJ") is widely regarded in the NBA as a high-character professional and a foundational talent. He has established a reputation as an elite, defensive-minded leader who brings a "class act" persona to the league, particularly during his time with the Memphis Grizzlies."

****** AI slop is ****** AI slop - even when it suits you.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

As long as we get the top 4 then yeah. I'm nervous they punish us if we are 5-8.

I would think the nba would want to manufacture another stud young team than just make OKC an impossible team to deal with. The more the merrier you have OKC and SAS Jazz aren’t far off from that mix. It would seem to be good business to give the Jazz a top pick to become a third really talented young team

 

[framer]

I felt this way yesterday. The biggest problem is his salary and inflexibility it will create with the current cap structure. A high salary for a big that can't rebound and has poor foul disipline (like Ace but he's not a rookie). Dude has 5 fouls most games and sits a lot. And he is super inconsistent. His game is worth the picks and players traded, but his salary offsets that value as it will lock up the teams flexibility. If Kessler and Key both get paid what they project to, there will be no flexibility.

If we lose out on the 26 pick and/or Kessler because of it, it will be a devastating blow after we have suffered through all this losing to take a shortcut. This draft class has a lot of good talent available.

How many more picks/players would be needed to have swung for Giannis instead? Because he has the drive and talent and is worth every penny of his salary.

You don’t escape mediocrity by skipping the grind. You escape it by finishing it. Trading for JJJ isn’t a shortcut out of the wilderness. It’s a detour that drops you right back into it, because you won't have the salary to pickup other needed talent. You’ll win just enough to stay stuck, maybe with a playoff series win or two, and have mediocre draft pics. So unless there is a string of luck in the draft, in 4-5 years they’ll be right here again, wondering why the rebuild never actually rebuilt.

I hope I'm wrong.

JJJ was exactly the "needed talent." We spent three consecutive lottery picks trying to get something of his archetype. Long guys that can defend both at the rim and the perimeter and not be an offensive liability or actually be great offensively. Every single team needs a guy like that. If you can get MULTIPLE dudes like that, that is extremely rare and could be a secret sauce that puts you in contention.

Moreover, a long team that can shoot and bring the defensive boom is exactly the type of basketball I want to watch. Im over the moon right now.

Honestly, our starting lineup has top notch potential notwithstanding this year's pick. This move made that pick an awesome luxury and not "it will kill this franchise" if we miss type of thing. I'm happier with that situation, especially if we keep the pick bit it falls to 7th or 8th.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

that’s assuming, of course, if you take any Creedence into the fact that the NBA does pull some shady crap.

I would think the nba would want to manufacture another stud young team than just make OKC an impossible team to deal with. The more the merrier you have OKC and SAS Jazz aren’t far off from that mix. It would seem to be good business to give the Jazz a top pick to become a third really talented young team

That’s assuming, of course, if you take any Creedence into the fact that the NBA does pull some shady crap I wasn’t much of a believer until the Luca trade and the fiasco of a draft lottery we had last year.

 

[NUMBERICA]

They can't take a pick based on the current CBA. They could rig the lottery to make the Jazz fall to 9 if the Jazz don't lose enough games...

Correct.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

In order to build something up, you have to tear it down and build it back up, not tear it down and slap some tape on it

It’s like fixing up a vintage car you tear it all down first it’s a pretty sound analogy