Truth About Taliban

[Deleted member 848]

Interesting comment...

By this century, I was referring to the 20th century***. My mistake.

Unless your point still stands, even after my correction. In which case, Im curious to hear what you're thoughts are, regarding Pre-1900s Islamic Politics.

 

[Scat]

By this century, I was referring to the 20th century***. My mistake.

Unless your point still stands, even after my correction. In which case, Im curious to hear what you're thoughts are, regarding Pre-1900s Islamic Politics.

I found it refreshing that someone of the religion admits that Islam in the 20th century is bassackwards. Kudos.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I found it refreshing that someone of the religion admits that Islam in the 20th century is bassackwards. Kudos.

Oh absolutely. My family had a few muslim families over for dinner the other night, and all of them spoke on how much Islam had regressed since the 1970s, in terms of politics and freedoms in the Middle East. Id say it started in the second half of the 20th century. There are a myriad of sources all around the internet of how Arab caliphates/sultanates were told by the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to separate the affairs of church and state, and most of their governments were organized very secularly. Id recommend that you guys give it a google search one of these days, if you have free time. Countries like Saudi Arabia are seriously poor representations of my faith, in my opinion.

 

[TroutBum]

I found it refreshing that someone of the religion admits that Islam in the 20th century is bassackwards. Kudos.

I don't want to speak for Dalamon, but I don't think that's what he's saying. To me, it's refreshing that someone of that religion admits that SOME MORONS that practice under the guise of Islam are backasswards.

 

[Scat]

Oh absolutely. My family had a few muslim families over for dinner the other night, and all of them spoke on how much Islam had regressed since the 1970s, in terms of politics and freedoms in the Middle East. Id say it started in the second half of the 20th century. There are a myriad of sources all around the internet of how Arab caliphates/sultanates were told by the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to separate the affairs of church and state, and most of their governments were organized very secularly. Id recommend that you guys give it a google search one of these days, if you have free time. Countries like Saudi Arabia are seriously poor representations of my faith, in my opinion.

For what it's worth, I think Saudi Arabia is absolutely the worst representation of your faith. At least the Taliban is out front admitting to what they believe and not hiding behind trillions of oil dollars.

 

[Deleted member 848]

I don't want to speak for Dalamon, but I don't think that's what he's saying. To me, it's refreshing that someone of that religion admits that SOME MORONS that practice under the guise of Islam are backasswards.

This is exactly what I meant, thank you. I know realize that I misread Scat's post- the religion has not changed whatsoever. Islam is certainly not backwards in the 20th century. The figureheads that rule countries based on it, are.

 

[Deleted member 848]

For what it's worth, I think Saudi Arabia is absolutely the worst representation of your faith. At least the Taliban is out front admitting to what they believe and not hiding behind trillions of oil dollars.

Id say they are both equally terrible in their own respective rights. What irks me most about the Taliban, is that they place people under the impression that they are the the most pure of muslims. Unfortunately, many people accept this false-notion, and then they associate the islamic faith with things such as sharia law, burkas, "infidel-slaying" and other characterized Taliban atrocities.

To show how wrong these Taliban militants are, in terms of what they are doing do innocent civilians of other faiths, or how ill-advised their crusade against other faiths are, here are some excerpts of a post from mine from a month ago:

Now, for some quran verses that I enjoy:

And dispute ye not with the People of the Book (Book, meaning Testaments), except with means better [than meer dispute] unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong [and injury]: but say, "we believe in the revelation in which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam)

And argue not with the People of the Book unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our Allah and your Allah is One, and unto Him we surrender

-29:46


These quotes will hopefully douse a lot of the intolerant fire that Islam seems to get from the western media. In fact, my faith was probably one of the most tolerant, during and about 1000 years after its conception. The arab world over the past 50 years has unfortunately reversed this process completely, however.

Lastly:

Verse 5:32 of the Quran is on capital punishment. It mentions two cases where capital punishment is allows.
The Qur'an legislates the death penalty for murder, although forgiveness and compassion are strongly encouraged. The murder victim's family is given a choice to either insist on the death penalty, or to pardon the perpetrator and accept monetary compensation for their loss.
Spreading mischief in the land is generally interpreted to mean those crimes that affect the community as a whole, and destabilize the society. Crimes that have fallen under this description have included:
• Treason / Apostacy (when one leaves the faith and joins the enemy in fighting against the Muslim community)
• Terrorism
• Land, sea, or air piracy
• Rape
• Adultery
The following verse, 5:33, applies to those that wage was against the Muslims. The verse prescribes death as one of the punishments but not as the only one. After the “Battle of the trench”, in which Jews living under the Prophet joined forces with the opposing army to wage war against him, the Prophet decided to exile the Jews that conspired against him. He did not kill them. Nor did the Prophet kill the pagans that lived in Makkah, who had been waging war against him for years, when he conquered it.
“Permission (to fight) is given to those on whom war is made, because they are oppressed. And Allah is able to assist them — those who are driven from their homes without a just cause except that they say: Our Lord is Allah.” (22:39-40)
“And fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but be not aggressive. Surely Allah loves not the aggressors.” (2:190)
“And if they incline to peace, you must also incline to it, and trust in Allah.” (8:61)
Your conclusion that Islam declares war against anyone who isn’t a Muslim is incorrect. Islam teaches tolerance of other religions.
“If anyone of the idolaters seek your protection, protect him till he hears the word of Allah, then convey him to his place of safety. This is because they are a people who have no knowledge.” (9:6)
Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just. (60:8)
The Quran does not ask Muslims to fight and convert everyone to Islam. As can be seen from the following verse
“If they accept Islam, then indeed they follow the right way; and if they turn back, your duty (O Prophet) is only to deliver the message.” (3:20)
Let me continue by mentioning some of the sayings of the Prophet regarding tolerance.
“Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.”
"He who believes in God and the Last Day should honour his guest, should not harm his neighbour, should speak good or keep quiet."
"Whoever hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state hurts me, and he who hurts me annoys God."
"Anyone who kills a Non-Muslim who had become our ally will not smell the fragrance of Paradise."
Now that I’ve cleared up your misconceptions, I have to ask how you can judge an entire book based on four sentences? Have you read the Quran? Have you looked into the details of the verses you mentioned? How can one judge an entire book by just four sentences?
The fact that needs to be understood is that religiously oriented violence has by no means been confined to Islam. In the United States, abortion clinics have been bombed and their doctors shot because, to the perpetrators, the Christian Bible commands it. Jim Jones killed or required the suicide of his own followers at his camp in Guyana, and David Koresh did nothing to prevent the mass death of his followers at Waco. Lets not forget issues such as the molestation of young boys by priests at several different Churches, the cannibalism committed by the Crusaders during the first Crusade and the acts of the BTK killer who was the head of a church.
Muslims don’t blame Christians or the Bible for all these actions. They blame religious extremists.

I hate recycling old posts, but I felt like you might benefit from re-reading it, Scat.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Wow.

I think people are confused because I titled this thread "truth about Taliban" I didn't mean that it is really the truth or that I agree with it, it was only the title of the video series.

I compared them with Nazi's and Ku Kux Klan in my very first post.

I'm just saying and have been saying from the start that it is interesting to see how they think in their eyes how they are truth even though what they are doing imo is wrong.

The only thing I will add is that I admit it gave me slight sympathy for them because even though what they are doing is wrong they are doing what they think is right. They aren't motivated by money or greed but rather what they believe is correct and fair. I always find scenarios like this interesting.

Also Dalamon I like it how you put yourself > Islam. I understand you are quoting someone so in a way you aren't saying it yourself but you are glady and proudly displaying it in your signature.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Wow.

The only thing I will add is that I admit it gave me slight sympathy for them because even though what they are doing is wrong they are doing what they think is right. They aren't motivated by money or greed but rather what they believe is correct and fair. I always find scenarios like this interesting.

Here lies your flaw in logic. In Hitler's mind, he was serving in the best interests of his people. He thought that Germans weren't being treated fairly. Hitler wasn't motivated by money or greed. So tell me, should I have slight sympathy for Hitler then?

Also Dalamon I like it how you put yourself > Islam. I understand you are quoting someone so in a way you aren't saying it yourself but you are glady and proudly displaying it in your signature.

Lol.

Also TBS I like it how you put your beliefs > others. I understand you are a satisfied, knowledge-seeking muslim, but your condescending approach in your religious discourse with other fellow posters of different faiths in this forum means that others will never respect our faith.

 

[TroutBum]

Also TBS I like it how you put your beliefs > others. I understand you are a satisfied, knowledge-seeking muslim, but your condescending approach in your religious discourse with other fellow posters of different faiths in this forum means that others will never respect our faith.

This.

 

[Scat]

Also TBS I like it how you put your beliefs > others. I understand you are a satisfied, knowledge-seeking muslim, but your condescending approach in your religious discourse with other fellow posters of different faiths in this forum means that others will never respect our faith.

Bingo! We have a winner!!

 

[The Black Swordsman]

I like how you switch the attention from me to you. It's something women do A LOT. You don't address the statement but rather instead state that I am doing something worse (In your opinion).

Husband : "Hey honey you forget to switch off the lights"
Wife : "I'm tired of you always meddling with my affairs, all you do is sit around all day and watch the Utah Jazz"
(This was the only example I can think of from the top of my head)

I have never stated my beliefs greater then others. However your quote is repeated every time you make a post. If you interpret it that way you are incorrect again. (I'm patiently waiting when your next reply doesn't answer why you put yourself greater then Islam again).