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Carroll vs Howard

Carroll Vs Howard (or someone else i guess) ((multiple choice is allowed))

  • Neither, they were only fillers, and aren't that good.

    Votes: 7 16.7%
  • DeMarre Carroll, he is younger and better.

    Votes: 19 45.2%
  • Both, they are cheap insurance players.

    Votes: 11 26.2%
  • Josh Howard, the team needs talented veterans.

    Votes: 6 14.3%
  • Neither, we are drafting a more talented SF

    Votes: 10 23.8%

  • Total voters
    42

cctrackstar

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This thread is two parts, part discussion of Carroll, and part whether to re-sign him or Howard, or both (or neither, that's an option)

From what I've seen in a growing sample size is that he's a more athletic Matt Harpring. He attacks, he's gritty, he likes to dunk, which is where he's less like Harpring, but his aggressive nature makes me like the pickup. And guess what, he can shoot! That was what he supposedly couldn't do but he seems to have that confidence to fire it up when he's open which is something Hayward doesn't always do.

Now this isn't Carroll vs Hayward, in fact keeping him instead of Howard might be good because he doesn't have the clout to demand to start over Hayward. He seems like the kind of player who would be a great energy off the bench player for his career, and guess what, he's a year older than Jeremy Evans, who is supposedly one of our young guys. He could be a backup on the team for ten years as long as he doesn't get a big head.

However........ Howard brings veteran leadership that might be as much if not more valuable to the team in the short run since they seem to be determined to make the playoffs now rather than later. If he had a successful surgery and the bone spur is gone, he could be back on the team before the year is over, and if he helps the team win in the playoffs than you obviously need to give him consideration in the off-season.

They both have similar small reasonable contracts, so either or even both could easily be signed, but remember, there is only a limited amount of time on the floor available for players to play, so who should the Jazz use going forward into next year?
 
Howard is old. And chronically injured. And actually didn't play that well as a whole for the season.

So the Jazz should extend Howard for four years, naturally.
 
Howard is old. And chronically injured. And actually didn't play that well as a whole for the season.

So the Jazz should extend Howard for four years, naturally.

I didn't literally lol, but I did exhale through my nose a little .. in an almost lol.
 
I was happy to have Howard on the team this year to teach Evans how to play the SF position. Ironically, unless I'm mistaken, Evans hasn't even sniffed the SF position, but I think Hayward and even Carroll have picked up some moves and toughness from having him around. Unfortunately, Howard seems to pout and not preform coming off the bench, so he starts over the young guys and as has been pointed out, his talent ends at his toughness, he's rather inefficient, so I say our youth has learned enough from him and he should move on to another young team that needs veteran leadership.
 
I voted for keeping both. I liked what we got from Howard. I never expected him to be a great scorer from his Dallas days but he rebounded was a good slasher, and played decent defense. He can also play both wing positions. As for Carroll, whether he can shoot or not, he does shoot it with confidence, and a physical defender, seems like a good guy to have at the end of the bench.
 
I like what I have seen from Carroll and would like to see more. I don't think it would be a bad risk to sign him for another season or possibly two. He seems to fit in well with our needs off the bench (hustle, decent shot and doesn't seem to mind doing the dirty work) and the big plus, he's young still, and as stated, isn't going to demand minutes.

I like what Howard brings to the game, the willingness to go to the basket and draw fouls as well as the vet role that he brings to the team. With that said, I won't be upset if the Jazz do not resign him next year.
 
I like Howard. I think he was a good vet pick up by KOC.

But, let's face it...he was never more than a one year flyer for the Jazz. If he had panned out and made a splash with us he would have been a Free Agent and would have walked. If he doesn't pan out he gets released with a pat on the back and our thanks for showing our wings a thing or two.

That said, Carroll will 1) not take time from Burks or Hayward, 2) willingly come off the bench and hustle his *ss off, 3) not cost us an arm and a leg in FA. win-win-win

I voted Carroll
 
Howard isn't as good a fit with Burks as he is with Bell and plays a lot better as a starter, which I sure hope Utah doesn't need next year.

I don't think Carroll is better but is happy coming off the bench and probably a lot more productive than any wing Utah can pick up with their 2nd. He reminds me of the guy Utah signed last year when all the guards were injured. Weaver. Bigger and more controlled game though. Carroll hasn't made many bad decisions while playing with all that energy, good pickup.

He has worse hair than Harpring though.
 
It's frustrating because every once in a while you would get a glimpse of what type of player Howard used to be. But I think must of us know better - the guy is most likely done. And even if he isn't, would you want to pay to find out?

Carroll is a good end of bench guy. I think you keep him on with a modest one year deal offer - especially if The Jazz lose Evans to FA.
 
I voted Carrol but disagreed with how it was phrased. Not because he is better. I like Carrol as a reserve wing. nice guy to fill in garbage time or if you need him in apinch like last nights game. He brings fight, heart and hustle.
 
I hated Howard at first, as it looked to me like he was intent on jacking the ball up the second he touched it, every single time. Then he kind of settled in, and I was liking the way he was playing before he got hurt the first time. Also, there actually were several games where you could see that vet presence paying off. Can't remember specific games, but I remember a few times when it looked like the rest of the team was choking under pressure, and Howard would calmly hit a shot, like it ain't no thing, and it seemed to rub off the rest of the team.

However, it looks to me like like this team is now coming together quite nicely without Bell and Howard, and I'm not sure the vet leadership is worth taking minutes away from our young guys. Burks getting DNPs is something that should have never happened, and as of right now, I'd rather sacrifice Howard than having not enough minutes for Burks. Admittedly though, I could change my mind depending on what happens in the playoffs. All I have to do is go back and watch the massive choke job by our entire team in the 4th quarter of the Kings game, and it's easy to imagine this team folding under pressure in the playoffs. Howard very well could prove to be quite valuable in the post-season.

As for Carroll, it's way too early to make a judgement, but I definately like what I see so far. If I had to decide today, I'd say bring him back. Hungry player who seems perfect as someone who remains ready to play, even if he recieves several DNPs.
 
I voted Howard because I didn't read the thread. I thought it was just who is the better player. Clearly Howard is. The question though was who would you re-sign. I would re-sign Carrol because I know he is happy to even be on a roster. He can be the last man on the bench. Howard is too good to be the last man, and he knows it.

I would vote neither on the poll because you worded the Carroll option as "He is younger and better". He isn't better, he is just younger.
 
I like Howard for similar money to this year unless we get both first round picks and take both a point guard and a small forward in the lottery.
 
He has worse hair than Harpring though.
What are you talking about, he's got the best hair on the team, I'm so glad that Corbin is loosening up the hair restrictions a bit.

I understand that we are talking about the guy who only weeks ago was the last player on the bench, but now that he's getting time, I think he has passed Evans as far as value to the team :eek: because he can drive with the ball, he can run the break, he can shoot better from the perimeter, and he's stronger. Evans can still dunk better, but Carroll; having a better outside shot can free himself up because his defenders will have to respect the shot, and Carroll can still dunk well enough.

My point is that Carroll is no longer the last guy on the bench, instead he has moved up to the primary backup at the 3 spot. Also, he hasn't had the time on the floor in his career to develop his game completely, so he likely hasn't reached his ceiling yet. What the Jazz needs right now isn't more stars, they need to add a superstar and solid role players, and Carroll seems to be just that. (role player, not superstar. superstar is a whole new topic, we all want Favors to become that, but that's not going to happen for a while. i'm hoping Burks becomes one. knock on wood)
 
What are you talking about, he's got the best hair on the team, I'm so glad that Corbin is loosening up the hair restrictions a bit.

I understand that we are talking about the guy who only weeks ago was the last player on the bench, but now that he's getting time, I think he has passed Evans as far as value to the team :eek: because he can drive with the ball, he can run the break, he can shoot better from the perimeter, and he's stronger. Evans can still dunk better, but Carroll; having a better outside shot can free himself up because his defenders will have to respect the shot, and Carroll can still dunk well enough.

My point is that Carroll is no longer the last guy on the bench, instead he has moved up to the primary backup at the 3 spot. Also, he hasn't had the time on the floor in his career to develop his game completely, so he likely hasn't reached his ceiling yet. What the Jazz needs right now isn't more stars, they need to add a superstar and solid role players, and Carroll seems to be just that. (role player, not superstar. superstar is a whole new topic, we all want Favors to become that, but that's not going to happen for a while. i'm hoping Burks becomes one. knock on wood)

Evans > Carroll. Evans brings much more energy and plays. He just plays a position that is stacked on this team.
 
Neither, they were only fillers, and aren't that good.
DeMarre Carroll, he is younger and will be better than Howard will be in a couple of years.
Both, they are cheap insurance players.
Josh Howard, the team needs talented veterans.
Neither, we are drafting a more talented SF

Fixed (self)
 
Evans > Carroll. Evans brings much more energy and plays. He just plays a position that is stacked on this team.
Completely disagree. I love Evans, but Carroll has a toughness that Evans hasn't even sniffed.
 
Howard is old. And chronically injured. And actually didn't play that well as a whole for the season.

So the Jazz should extend Howard for four years, naturally.
I LOL'd

Plus, if he goes to another team, he'd probably put up big numbers against us. And that's usually the reason Utah goes after a FA.
 
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