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Why doesn't Utah have a Lottery?

Replies using updated data from the Utah Foundation are not gotcha replies. Unless of course, you disagree with their findings, then I guess you could characterize their findings as "gotcha replies" and whatever nonsense you're trying to describe them as.

Correct, those links are not. But then you mix in your own little brand of gotcha ********. You do not have to like it but that is how you come off. You can deny it all you want but it is why you get unfriendly replies. Not because you are/are not winning any discussion but because you come off as a dick.
 
Yeah that always struck me as odd. In all actuallity the casinos were placed in Tunica County because Desoto County (the county that boarders Memphis) would not allow the casinos.

They have a lot of Casinos along the Mississippi river, and a lot on the Gulf Coast. I think the law in Mississippi is that the casino has to be over the water.
 
They have a lot of Casinos along the Mississippi river, and a lot on the Gulf Coast. I think the law in Mississippi is that the casino has to be over the water.

I believe you are correct. Tunica County and DeSoto County are the two most northwestern counties in the state. The Mississippi River is the western boarder of both. When Tunica started up (which is why I moved to Memphis in the first place) the tried to get into DeSoto County but the county refused and so they went to Tunica County.
 
Salty I have maintained my principles through hardship and personal suffering many times. To say that as soon as me or my family suffers I will change my position is false and insulting. The idea that my position can only be held by someone who doesn't understand the reality of the situation is stupid and does not serve you well, besides being completely wrong, of course.

Do you have kids right now? I'm pretty sure you'll be a good parent who loves his children. As such, I'm pretty sure you won't be happy if/when they're sitting in an 85 degree classroom because the school has no AC.

You say this opinion doesn't serve me well and it's insulting. I'd wager that any parents with school age kids who have actually experienced this will agree with me. Heck, most parents with school aged kids that haven't dealt with this will probably agree with me.

Your position that schools don't need AC, the kids can just suffer to save a few bucks, is flat out ridiculous. And no matter how insulting you think it is, I'm 100% positive your tune would change if your own kids were during in an 85 degree classroom.

It's human nature to want the best for your children. It's not a stretch for me to assume you would also want the best for your own children.
 
Do you have kids right now? I'm pretty sure you'll be a good parent who loves his children. As such, I'm pretty sure you won't be happy if/when they're sitting in an 85 degree classroom because the school has no AC.

You say this opinion doesn't serve me well and it's insulting. I'd wager that any parents with school age kids who have actually experienced this will agree with me. Heck, most parents with school aged kids that haven't dealt with this will probably agree with me.

Your position that schools don't need AC, the kids can just suffer to save a few bucks, is flat out ridiculous. And no matter how insulting you think it is, I'm 100% positive your tune would change if your own kids were during in an 85 degree classroom.

It's human nature to want the best for your children. It's not a stretch for me to assume you would also want the best for your own children.


First off, I responded to your cry for AC because I thought it was a silly thing to focus on. This thread is about Utah having a lottery and the pros and cons of that. You seem to be making an argument that Utah needs a lottery so our schools can have AC. Great. I'm not sure a lottery would put ACs in our schools, but if our schools had AC then all the better.

Second, I wish schools were private and privately funded. That doesn't mean I want to see our public schools slowly starved to death by lack of funding. I don't want to point to failed schools as a way to convince people that schools should not be public, I want to convince people that it is not the governments place to do it in the first place, no matter if they run schools really well or really poorly. As long as the schools are public (and I expect them to be for the rest of my life and for as long as my son and his potential children are in school) I want them to be run well and have all the funding they need. The republican approach that seems to focus on keeping taxes low, even at the expense of taking care of current governemnt responsibilities, is not a view I share. Tax rates are what they are because of what the government is expected to do. I'd like to change the expectaitons of what government should be doing first, find private sector solutions second, and change our tax situation last.

I have a child. He is in elementary school. This year he is in a year round school. I asked him yesterday and he believes his school has AC. Last year he had to go to a different school because he was in the ALPS program. That school was not year round. I don't know if it had AC, but my son never complained about it being too hot.

I went to public school in Utah. To see that our average class size now is in the low 20s was a nice surprise. I was in classes of 30-40 students most of the time. I was in schools that did not have AC. I don't remember being uncomfortable in school because it was too hot. Maybe it's just been too long. I don't want kids to suffer, and I'm not sure they are currently suffering due to heat. Maybe I'll find out they are. Regardless, I don't know that a lottery would solve the AC crisis. I didn't look back, but didn't you post that Idaho gets 37 mil/year from the lottery? I don't think that's enough to retrofit our schools with AC if they weren't built for it.

Finally, what I think does not serve you well is assuming you know why I hold the positions I hold, or that I don't have the fortitude or integrity to stand by my opinions when the going gets tough. In my case you would be dead wrong.
 
First off, I responded to your cry for AC because I thought it was a silly thing to focus on. This thread is about Utah having a lottery and the pros and cons of that. You seem to be making an argument that Utah needs a lottery so our schools can have AC. Great. I'm not sure a lottery would put ACs in our schools, but if our schools had AC then all the better.

Second, I wish schools were private and privately funded. That doesn't mean I want to see our public schools slowly starved to death by lack of funding. I don't want to point to failed schools as a way to convince people that schools should not be public, I want to convince people that it is not the governments place to do it in the first place, no matter if they run schools really well or really poorly. As long as the schools are public (and I expect them to be for the rest of my life and for as long as my son and his potential children are in school) I want them to be run well and have all the funding they need. The republican approach that seems to focus on keeping taxes low, even at the expense of taking care of current governemnt responsibilities, is not a view I share. Tax rates are what they are because of what the government is expected to do. I'd like to change the expectaitons of what government should be doing first, find private sector solutions second, and change our tax situation last.

I have a child. He is in elementary school. This year he is in a year round school. I asked him yesterday and he believes his school has AC. Last year he had to go to a different school because he was in the ALPS program. That school was not year round. I don't know if it had AC, but my son never complained about it being too hot.

I went to public school in Utah. To see that our average class size now is in the low 20s was a nice surprise. I was in classes of 30-40 students most of the time. I was in schools that did not have AC. I don't remember being uncomfortable in school because it was too hot. Maybe it's just been too long. I don't want kids to suffer, and I'm not sure they are currently suffering due to heat. Maybe I'll find out they are. Regardless, I don't know that a lottery would solve the AC crisis. I didn't look back, but didn't you post that Idaho gets 37 mil/year from the lottery? I don't think that's enough to retrofit our schools with AC if they weren't built for it.

Finally, what I think does not serve you well is assuming you know why I hold the positions I hold, or that I don't have the fortitude or integrity to stand by my opinions when the going gets tough. In my case you would be dead wrong.

Using that tactic is usually wrong. Especially when discussing something over the internet with people you know nothing about.
 
Do you have kids right now? I'm pretty sure you'll be a good parent who loves his children. As such, I'm pretty sure you won't be happy if/when they're sitting in an 85 degree classroom because the school has no AC.

You say this opinion doesn't serve me well and it's insulting. I'd wager that any parents with school age kids who have actually experienced this will agree with me. Heck, most parents with school aged kids that haven't dealt with this will probably agree with me.

Your position that schools don't need AC, the kids can just suffer to save a few bucks, is flat out ridiculous. And no matter how insulting you think it is, I'm 100% positive your tune would change if your own kids were during in an 85 degree classroom.

It's human nature to want the best for your children. It's not a stretch for me to assume you would also want the best for your own children.

I want the best for my kids but I also want them to be tough, self-reliant and able to deal with less than ideal situations. If they have to sit in an 85 degree classroom for a month I don't think it will be the end of the world.
 
I want the best for my kids but I also want them to be tough, self-reliant and able to deal with less than ideal situations. If they have to sit in an 85 degree classroom for a month I don't think it will be the end of the world.

Those are important qualities for kids to learn. However I do not think that is the way to do it lol. (I got your point, it just made me laugh)
 
First off, I responded to your cry for AC because I thought it was a silly thing to focus on. This thread is about Utah having a lottery and the pros and cons of that. You seem to be making an argument that Utah needs a lottery so our schools can have AC. Great. I'm not sure a lottery would put ACs in our schools, but if our schools had AC then all the better.

Second, I wish schools were private and privately funded. That doesn't mean I want to see our public schools slowly starved to death by lack of funding. I don't want to point to failed schools as a way to convince people that schools should not be public, I want to convince people that it is not the governments place to do it in the first place, no matter if they run schools really well or really poorly. As long as the schools are public (and I expect them to be for the rest of my life and for as long as my son and his potential children are in school) I want them to be run well and have all the funding they need. The republican approach that seems to focus on keeping taxes low, even at the expense of taking care of current governemnt responsibilities, is not a view I share. Tax rates are what they are because of what the government is expected to do. I'd like to change the expectaitons of what government should be doing first, find private sector solutions second, and change our tax situation last.

I have a child. He is in elementary school. This year he is in a year round school. I asked him yesterday and he believes his school has AC. Last year he had to go to a different school because he was in the ALPS program. That school was not year round. I don't know if it had AC, but my son never complained about it being too hot.

I went to public school in Utah. To see that our average class size now is in the low 20s was a nice surprise. I was in classes of 30-40 students most of the time. I was in schools that did not have AC. I don't remember being uncomfortable in school because it was too hot. Maybe it's just been too long. I don't want kids to suffer, and I'm not sure they are currently suffering due to heat. Maybe I'll find out they are. Regardless, I don't know that a lottery would solve the AC crisis. I didn't look back, but didn't you post that Idaho gets 37 mil/year from the lottery? I don't think that's enough to retrofit our schools with AC if they weren't built for it.

Finally, what I think does not serve you well is assuming you know why I hold the positions I hold, or that I don't have the fortitude or integrity to stand by my opinions when the going gets tough. In my case you would be dead wrong.

To clear a few things up...

1: I am claiming that our schools don't get enough funding. I pointed to not having the money for AC as a good example of this. We could just as easily be talking about the asbestos in the schools, or the fact that most of them are not earthquake safe. These are all things that can only be fixed with money.

2: I understand the tax burden is already high due to the number of kids in Utah. So our dollars are stretched thinner than most other places. Therefore this needed funding must come from alternative sources. I never went too deep into this but I could have pointed out how most (or even all) of the middle and high schools already have cell towers on the property and fast food chains in the cafeteria.

3: I never claimed to know why you have the principles that you hold. I only claimed that if those principles were putting your own kids at risk, you would likely soften on them. I stand by that opinion. I think just about anyone would reconsider almost anything if it was something that caused their children to suffer. If you have a don, then you probably already know this. If you walked into your son's classroom, and it was 85 degrees in there, and you found out it was like that for 20-25% of the school year, it would probably be a lot more important to you.

4: I am not concerned about your beliefs that schools should be private. I disagree with that belief, but it's off topic and I never mentioned it. I'm talking about how a lottery could help fund public schools here.

5: The Idaho lottery paid a $37 million dividend to the state in 2011. They have a smaller population than Utah, and Utah's dividend would likely be even bigger. That would certainly not hurt our already underfunded educational system. In fact, I bet within a few years all the schools could have AC, be earthquake safe, and have the asbestos removed. I'm no HVAC expert, but I'm guessing adding AC to a school would cost somewhere between 10 and 100 grand. Even at 100 grand, that 37 million would allow 370 schools to get AC in the first year.

6: If your son's school didn't have AC, you/he would know. Especially if it was year round. Let your house get to 80 or 85 degrees and you'll notice, for sure. Most of the schools that don't have AC have loud fans blowing papers all over the place, lol. And they don't help that much with the temperature.
 
For the record, I like to keep my house at 68 year round. I do not like to be hot.

I have spent months at a time trying to sleep in 80s temps. It's not fun. Fortunately, my workspace was kept at 55.

I honestly don't remember being overly hot in school. I guess that was before global warming.

I was responding in part to the Thriller in my post above. Sorry to mix you guys together. While you are very frustrating, you're not an ***.
 
I still think preferentially taxing the poorest and least educated people is one of the worst suggestions ever--even if it's a self-selected "opt in". Again, if you want more funds for education there are many better ways to achieve that.

I don't understand how a voluntary purchase is a tax.
 
For the record, I like to keep my house at 68 year round. I do not like to be hot.

I have spent months at a time trying to sleep in 80s temps. It's not fun. Fortunately, my workspace was kept at 55.

I honestly don't remember being overly hot in school. I guess that was before global warming.

I was responding in part to the Thriller in my post above. Sorry to mix you guys together. While you are very frustrating, you're not an ***.

Damn, you are a polar bear. I keep my AC set at 80.
 
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