What do you want to happen friday night?

[asian_roger]

Losing on purpose also promotes the idea that the current players we have right now are not worthy of the NBA and that the future of the team is placed on someone that is going to be drafted. Confidence level of people we need next year will be at an all time low. I would think the psychological effects will be devastating. I would have no problem if both teams fought hard and the Jazz actually lost, but I think we all know GS wants to lose all the games in the future. GS will only win if the Jazz's shooting percentage and play is so pathetic they have to win or the tanking will look too obvious.

 

[gregbroncs]

Season is over. Time to play the young guys a lot. If we win while playing them then so be it. But I would rather lose the GSW game.

 

[northeast]

Season is over. Time to play the young guys a lot. If we win while playing them then so be it. But I would rather lose the GSW game.

Great point.
Here is my suggestion,

I suspect GS may have been tanking....
In the 4th quarters, it seems the balls fly out of their hands as if possessed by magic.
Normal rules of conduct do not apply...
Play the youth as Greg says. This makes sense.
Run the ball through promising guys that need experience having the plays run through them. Tell them to score the ball and make plays.
I am talking Evans and Kanter, maybe Favors and Burks too, but most definitely Kanter.
I think these guys can score, they just need experience and confidence.
This is a perfect opportunity.
Let Kanter experience a 40 point game. Hell a 50 point game.
If GS is going to tank against the Jazz, I want Kanter scoring 50 on them in the process.

 

[asian_roger]

Oh guys.....aren't we all delusional if we think Corbin is going to give our rookies any significant minutes now?

 

[Siro]

Oh guys.....aren't we all delusional if we think Corbin is going to give our rookies any significant minutes now?

I think it does make a difference. Even if it doesn't, at least it won't give the management the illusion that the current line-up of vets can actually get somewhere.

 

[Bodhi]

I know you're a man, but can I please impregnate you and have you bare my children?

Plural? No, I'm a career gal....guy. One, possibly.

 

[Stoked]

Oh guys.....aren't we all delusional if we think Corbin is going to give our rookies any significant minutes now?

Burks has been gettign fairly good minutes lately.

 

[Bodhi]

We don't need to get younger. We have plenty of those we need vets that know their rolls, and guys that will do the dirty unglamorous work that help teams win, that and our young core getting experience so we don't make some of the dumb mistakes we made last night. Regarding the playoffs, if we do make the playoffs win games or not will teach guys like Favors and Hayward the level of intensity they need to play with, teach them what they need to do to win games consistently and help them become leaders of this team.

What the hell do all of you tank happy idiots think is going to happen by adding two new lottery picks that need playing time, are we all of a sudden going to make a deep run in the playoffs. This team bombing in the first round is not the same as Williams, Boozer, and Memo bombing in the first round. If this team makes the playoffs now they will probably fail, but even Jordan failed before he had success. Failure always comes before success, so let them fail so they can learn to succeed.

You are aware that two picks in this draft are assets, and.....follow me here, we actually wouldn't need to pick ANY of them. We could package both for an impact vet. Cause as it stands there is no star on this team, we need to trade for one or draft one. We don't have a Durant or Wade, bra.

 

[freakazoid]

You guys seen the new NBA "BIG" Ad campaign?
The NBA: Where "losing is encouraged and cheered for by fan bases because the way the draft is set up, teams are encouraged to lose and tank games so they can potentially get better players from college that no one really knows how good or bad they'll truly be but because some 'expert' told them there is a deep draft this year the fans think that losing is better than winning games, which is total bull ****" happens.

Eff this poll, add the option. "The NBA sucks for having a system that encourages ****ty play." and I'll choose that one.

This isn't about trying to get a higher pick. It's about not wanting to lose the picks altogther. Perhaps you've heard of a thingy called assets. It's like having more money, in which you can buy more cool stuff. The really awesome part is that you don't actually have to spend it on rookie type stuff, but it can also be used to buy really good established player kinda stuff as well. More money = more options in building the team = good.


For some reason, these arguments remind me of the commercial where Jimmy Fallon is trying to explain to the baby why more money is good. I guess some people will just never understand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9CjeZ1Mod0&feature=player_embedded

 

[Bodhi]

This isn't about trying to get a higher pick. It's about not wanting to lose the picks altogther. Perhaps you've heard of a thingy called assets. It's like having more money, in which you can buy more cool stuff. The really awesome part is that you don't actually have to spend it on rookie type stuff, but it can also be used to buy really good established player kinda stuff as well. More money = more options in building the team = good.


For some reason, these arguments remind me of the commercial where Jimmy Fallon is trying to explain to the baby why more money is good. I guess some people will just never understand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9CjeZ1Mod0&feature=player_embedded

Reppppppppppppppp'd!!!

 

[freakazoid]

You are aware that two picks in this draft are assets, and.....follow me here, we actually wouldn't need to pick ANY of them. We could package both for an impact vet. Cause as it stands there is no star on this team, we need to trade for one or draft one. We don't have a Durant or Wade, bra.

Yeah, but the problem is, we probably already have way too many awesome players as it is. The last thing we need is more awesome players who will just get mad cuz we don't play them enough, and then the coaching staff gets a big headache, and then NONE of the players develop because we're spreading the minutes around too much trying to develop them all, and in the end we just trade everybody and they're all mad and Gregg sells the team and the world explodes.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

Yeah, but the problem is, we probably already have way too many awesome players as it is. The last thing we need is more awesome players who will just get mad cuz we don't play them enough, and then the coaching staff gets a big headache, and then NONE of the players develop because we're spreading the minutes around too much trying to develop them all, and in the end we just trade everybody and they're all mad and Gregg sells the team and the world explodes.

Pssshhh that is complete and utter horse poopy, c'mon seriously how could you even type that. I mean everybody knows the world would implode under those circumstances.... jackass.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Shame on all of you. It's all about winning.

The only thing more I want to add is that the Jazz shouldn't take Miles or Al off the floor for the entire game. They MUST secure the victory, and that is the BEST chance for JAZZ. Milsap is short and disgrace so he should not play. Lost of Carol 2 pleas.

 

[freakazoid]

Pssshhh that is complete and utter horse poopy, c'mon seriously how could you even type that. I mean everybody knows the world would implode under those circumstances.... jackass.

I knew I never shoulda dropped that class. I just couldn't see how it would ever apply to real life.

 

[theNBAnerd]

you know what else is an asset? having a team that believes that losing is unacceptable, that you should try to win all the time, that making the playoffs is an important step in team development.

i really can't believe how quick people are to jump off the bandwagon based on one loss, especially since denver lost to a lottery team at the same time, keeping the door MORE than open. we're 1.5 games out, people! we already own the tiebreaker with denver, and we can clinch the tiebreaker with houston on wednesday. phoenix has basically no chance to make it, as they have a brutal schedule with nothing left but games against good-to-great western teams.

meanwhile:
* utah has gsw, @sas, sas, @hou, @noh, @mem, dal, @por, orl, phx, por
* denver has phx, @gsw, gsw, min, @lal, hou, @hou, lac, @phx, orl, @okc, @min (harder sked than the jazz, with one more road game)
* houston has @lal, @sac, @por, uta, phx, @den, den, @dal, @noh, gsw, @mia, noh (easiest in terms of OWP, more road games than anyone)

i think we control our own destiny still -- if we win out at home AND beat houston, then we'll have 35 wins and both tiebreakers we'll need. i think that gets us in.

i can't understand why we wouldn't want to do that. maybe it's because i still believe that GSW will wind up handing their pick over so we won't be empty-handed in june.

 

[Stoked]

NBA nerd for me I do not want an 8th or even a 7th seed. So for my taste we are about 3 games out. I want a legit shoot at a 2nd round or the pick. I wont be mad if we get the 8th or 7th seed but in my eyes that is by far the least advantageous of all the possibilities.

 

[Hartsock]

I am not really interested in the 8th seed either, I am fine with the 7th, I think anything can happen against the old *** spurs, but the 8th seed would be a waste.

 

[Bodhi]

you know what else is an asset? having a team that believes that losing is unacceptable

Cool, thanks Vince Lombardi. While you're busy watching Angels In The Outfield and Rudy I'll be busy being a realist and not at all heartbroken if my team non-purposely loses to the team trying to **** us out of a pick.

I haven't once advocated tanking. I'm simply saying I won't shed a tear if we lose to GSW. And as for "believing losing is unacceptable" I could outline the litany of games this team has lost this year as evidence that the principal has already been lost on them. Had even a handful of those games been won we wouldn't even be debating this, they'd be a lock for the playoffs.

 

[theNBAnerd]

NBA nerd for me I do not want an 8th or even a 7th seed. So for my taste we are about 3 games out. I want a legit shoot at a 2nd round or the pick. I wont be mad if we get the 8th or 7th seed but in my eyes that is by far the least advantageous of all the possibilities.

then you don't understand the learning curve for young NBA teams. it's very rare for a team to go deep into the playoffs on their first go at it. getting there and losing is an important developmental step for the team as a whole and for several of these young guys who have never tasted the postseason. if you want favors, hayward and others leading the jazz to conference semis, conference finals and finals in the future, then it behooves you, them and all of us for this group to get to the postseason as early as possible, even if it's just to say we went and got swept by the thunder or spurs. look at the process of just about ANY great team and you'll see that they had to get there and lose before they could get there and win. for the sake of the 2015 jazz, i don't want to delay that process just to get a 14th pick in the draft.

Cool, thanks Vince Lombardi. While you're busy watching Angels In The Outfield and Rudy I'll be busy being a realist and not at all heartbroken if my team non-purposely loses to the team trying to **** us out of a pick.

I haven't once advocated tanking. I'm simply saying I won't shed a tear if we lose to GSW. And as for "believing losing is unacceptable" I could outline the litany of games this team has lost this year as evidence that the principal has already been lost on them. Had even a handful of those games been won we wouldn't even be debating this, they'd be a lock for the playoffs.

true, they've lost a lot of games that were just plain unacceptable to lose. last night was right up there, along with the sacto game, losing in overtime at home to toronto, or blowing a 6-point lead in 1OT at atlanta.

my point is this -- at no point after any of those losses did the guys look at each other and say, "ah, it's ok -- we're at least closer to adding a mid-first rounder."

as soon as you do that, you allow a culture to seep in that enough of a problem that a decade's worth of late lottery picks won't save you from perpetual mediocrity. and if you don't believe me, go ask warriors fans.

 

[Bodhi]

then you don't understand the learning curve for young NBA teams. it's very rare for a team to go deep into the playoffs on their first go at it. getting there and losing is an important developmental step for the team as a whole and for several of these young guys who have never tasted the postseason. if you want favors, hayward and others leading the jazz to conference semis, conference finals and finals in the future, then it behooves you, them and all of us for this group to get to the postseason as early as possible, even if it's just to say we went and got swept by the thunder or spurs. look at the process of just about ANY great team and you'll see that they had to get there and lose before they could get there and win. for the sake of the 2015 jazz, i don't want to delay that process just to get a 14th pick in the draft.



true, they've lost a lot of games that were just plain unacceptable to lose. last night was right up there, along with the sacto game, losing in overtime at home to toronto, or blowing a 6-point lead in 1OT at atlanta.

my point is this -- at no point after any of those losses did the guys look at each other and say, "ah, it's ok -- we're at least closer to adding a mid-first rounder."

as soon as you do that, you allow a culture to seep in that enough of a problem that a decade's worth of late lottery picks won't save you from perpetual mediocrity. and if you don't believe me, go ask warriors fans.

You seem to be confused and arguing against something I'm not favoring. I. Am. Not. Advocating. Tanking. If the Jazz lose to the Warriors I wont be pissed. Last post on this topic.