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NAOS

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This thread assumes that Jefferson will be dealt in a cost-cutting move that brings back a pick and a player. (I've suggested a trade with the Bucks that brings back a first-round pick and Mbah a Moute, an elite defensive SF, but don't let this suggestion bog down the discussion here). If such a move were to happen, the Jazz would need to find a fourth big to fill out the roster, but one who would be comfortable with and excel in a backup role.

I'm suggesting that we think about restricted free agent Omer Asik. He rebounds the ball well, plays good team D, and sees the game better than most guys with his size.

I'd envision the front court minutes divided as such:

Favors: 32
Millsap: 20-25 (with 7-10 at SF)
Kanter: 20-24
Asik: 20-24

So, are you interested or not? Why? How much do you think Asik is worth? In other words, how can we pry him away without overpaying?

Here's a look at a very speculative depth chart:

Harris*/Lillard or Marshall(?)/Watson or Tinsley (yes, I understand that Watson is under contract and Tinsely is not)
Hayward/Burks/Rivers(?)
Mbah a Moute/Millsap/Hayward/D.Miller(?)
Millsap**/Favors
Favors/Kanter/Asik

Shooting is still a problem with this roster, but we fix that in the following draft and free-agency splash (ahem, Harden). But, this is a solid roster from a defensive standpoint, and that is my first desire.

*Harris deal comes later after our (hopeful) PG has gotten his feet wet.
**Extension coming!?!
 
We could have just drafted Jonas Valaciunas, the rich man's Omer Asik.

And no, it's impossible to sign Asik without overpaying him. Big athletic centers who play defense get payed. No reason for us to pay him when we already have 2 other lottery big men.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
We could have just drafted Jonas Valaciunas, the rich man's Omer Asik.

And no, it's impossible to sign Asik without overpaying him. Big athletic centers who play defense get payed. No reason for us to pay him when we already have 2 other lottery big men.
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more stellar stuff from Cy.

When was the last time you thought of an idea on your own? You are a master critique-r and recycler... and ^this^ is worthless.

*Chicago isn't in the most flexible financial situation.
*Asik plays 15min/game for 3.2ppg/5.3rpg.... so it's not like I'm shooting for the moon here. Pay him. Don't pay him too much. A front-loaded deal makes sense all around... we can pay the bulk of the salary in 2012, leaving more flexibility for free agency, and giving us a better chance to pry him away.

I don't have a good sense for the figures, which is why I asked.

This is -- at the very ****ing least -- a good idea.
 
asik and kanter together is an utopia that we would see came to life more if the turkish national team head coach would make more sense substituting kanter. especially rebounds. but the offense would not be so good. asik needs time to get back his offensive skills. he clearly lost his shooting after hitting the gym and spending his first 1,5 year nba career there.
 
NAOS said:
more stellar stuff from Cy.

When was the last time you thought of an idea on your own? You are a master critique-r and recycler... and ^this^ is worthless.

*Chicago isn't in the most flexible financial situation.
*Asik plays 15min/game for 3.2ppg/5.3rpg.... so it's not like I'm shooting for the moon here. Pay him. Don't pay him too much. A front-loaded deal makes sense all around... we can pay the bulk of the salary in 2012, leaving more flexibility for free agency, and giving us a better chance to pry him away.

I don't have a good sense for the figures, which is why I asked.

This is -- at the very ****ing least -- a good idea.
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Big men always get overpaid, it's a rule of thumb. Many teams will be throwing money at him.

Also, sorry I don't post 100% original ideas and thoughts. Maybe you should stop, because all your post are utterly terrible.

Look at what Deandre Jordan got payed this off-season. Yes, Asik's #'s aren't as good. That is because he plays behind one of the better centers in the league.

Your idea sucks, we should be looking at getting a SF or guard in FA.
 
I like Asik as well. I would keep it to about 3.5 million a year for 5 years. I think that would take a lot of contenders out of the running. Maybe front load the contract while we can to still allow for cap flexability for the 2013-14 season.
 
orangello said:
I like Asik as well. I would keep it to about 3.5 million a year for 5 years. I think that would take a lot of contenders out of the running. Maybe front load the contract while we can to still allow for cap flexability for the 2013-14 season.
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thank you. And, yes, that is about what I was thinking... although I think a bit more might be needed and worth it.

did I just see a Asik - DJ comparison? ROFLOL
 
NAOS said:
thank you. And, yes, that is about what I was thinking... although I think a bit more might be needed and worth it.

did I just see a Asik - DJ comparison? ROFLOL
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Yea, ideally it would be 3.5 million but I could see him getting closer to about 5 mil a year for 4 years.

DJ comparision? I think I missed something.

The other thing that signing Asik would provide is letting Kanter play some PF off the bench. That would be fun to watch Asik and Kanter playing along side of each other. I think that this offseason we will see a dramatic improvement in Kanters offensive game. First and most important thing for him to work on is keeping the ball high, and keeping the ball secure. If he did that his effectiveness would double easily.
 
orangello said:
I like Asik as well. I would keep it to about 3.5 million a year for 5 years. I think that would take a lot of contenders out of the running. Maybe front load the contract while we can to still allow for cap flexability for the 2013-14 season.
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I would say he is going to get around 6 million per year at the least. I would liken his current situation Marcin Gortat's in Orlando. He is playing behind better, more experienced front court players. He only takes 2.4 shots per game now, and is mostly asked to play defense. In an expanded role he could flourish and teams will take the risk and pay him. Orlando gave Gortat a contract that payed him around 30-35 million for 5 years. He got that contract after averaging 3.6 points and 4 rebounds in 13.5 minutes. Asik averages 3.2 points with 5.2 rebounds with 1.1 blocks in 14.9 minutes. Add on to the fact that Asik is a legit 7' with very good athletic ability = getting paid to be a starter somewhere.
 
orangello said:
Yea, ideally it would be 3.5 million but I could see him getting closer to about 5 mil a year for 4 years.

DJ comparision? I think I missed something.

The other thing that signing Asik would provide is letting Kanter play some PF off the bench. That would be fun to watch Asik and Kanter playing along side of each other. I think that this offseason we will see a dramatic improvement in Kanters offensive game. First and most important thing for him to work on is keeping the ball high, and keeping the ball secure. If he did that his effectiveness would double easily.
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I was comparing him to a big man who got payed a lot of money vs. their on court production. If you adjust their minutes they have roughly the same stat production (DJ 2010-2011 season vs. Asik's current season), but I would argue Asik is a better defender.
 
Actually, if you adjust DJ's minutes and Asik's (per 48) minutes for their contract years, Asik blows DJ out of the water. More than doubles his rebound production and gets nearly twice the blocked shots.

Same for Gortat's contract year and Asik's current year per 48. Asik's numbers destroy Gortat's.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
DeAndre Jordan, Clipper center who signed a 4 year deal over 40 million dollars.
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Thanks. It is making perfect sense now.

DJ is a defensive force. He is a highlight type player. Asik is just to opposite. He plays below the rim, but he is extremely effective. I don't think that Asik will command near the money that DJ did.
 
orangello said:
Thanks. It is making perfect sense now.

DJ is a defensive force. He is a highlight type player. Asik is just to opposite. He plays below the rim, but he is extremely effective. I don't think that Asik will command near the money that DJ did.
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What? Asik is very athletic and averages more blocks per minute. Jordan has a larger body and reach, but I'm not entirely sure he is much more athletic than Asik. They were actually picked back to back in the 2008 draft also.

An argument could be made that Asik is even more athletic. If you watch him, his lateral quickness is amazing for a guy his size. Jordan can't touch his ability to move laterally.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I would say he is going to get around 6 million per year at the least. I would liken his current situation Marcin Gortat's in Orlando. He is playing behind better, more experienced front court players. He only takes 2.4 shots per game now, and is mostly asked to play defense. In an expanded role he could flourish and teams will take the risk and pay him. Orlando gave Gortat a contract that payed him around 30-35 million for 5 years. He got that contract after averaging 3.6 points and 4 rebounds in 13.5 minutes. Asik averages 3.2 points with 5.2 rebounds with 1.1 blocks in 14.9 minutes. Add on to the fact that Asik is a legit 7' with very good athletic ability = getting paid to be a starter somewhere.
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Cyrone Torbin said:
Actually, if you adjust DJ's minutes and Asik's (per 48) minutes for their contract years, Asik blows DJ out of the water. More than doubles his rebound production and gets nearly twice the blocked shots.

Same for Gortat's contract year and Asik's current year per 48. Asik's numbers destroy Gortat's.
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Cyrone Torbin said:
All that was copy and pasted from some other site. I have 0 original thoughts.
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Are you really trying to say that because you've compiled some statistics in order to refute some other person's idea you are being productive and original? Do you not know the difference between critique and authorship? Do you not see how every response you've given is a counterpoint to something that was said just before? Are you ****ing retarded?

My favorite part of this whole exchange was when you said my idea sucked... but then talked about how several GMs would be throwing money at him.

I also liked the part that because he has statistical similarities to a couple of players that were signed before the current CBA, you then know everything there is to know about his value.
 
BTW, I'd consider paying Asik up to $5million a year for 4 years. I wouldn't get into a bidding war.

The bottom ****ing line is that this is worth discussing and this is a message board. How anyone could get bullyboy about this and try to shut it down is pure troll.
 
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