CONAN
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Be careful what you wish for. Hansen's game is very similar to Nelson's. But that's irrelevant as I don't think Hansen plays a down at QB for Utah (more like LB or TE).
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UGLI baby
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Ok, just making sure you weren't thinking Hays.
CONAN
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The team was solidly behind Riley even before he was the starter. Heaps' attitude probably didn't help either. In the end, chemistry won out over talent.
CONAN
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As far as the backup situation, ok this year with Lark.
The problem is 2013 with a tough schedule you got Munns and maybe T. Hill (Olsen sucks balls). But Munns is hurt and not getting reps anyway. Hill is talented but has yet to get qualtiy reps.
It will probably come down to how the season is going when/if Nelson gets hurt.
The problem is 2013 with a tough schedule you got Munns and maybe T. Hill (Olsen sucks balls). But Munns is hurt and not getting reps anyway. Hill is talented but has yet to get qualtiy reps.
It will probably come down to how the season is going when/if Nelson gets hurt.
Chuck Bednarik Award (best defensive player): Star Lotulelei
Biletnikoff Award (best receiver): DeVonte Christopher
Walter Camp Award player of the year): John White
Lou Groza Award (best placekicker): Sean Sellwood
Rotary Lombardi Award (lineman): Star Lotulelei
Maxwell Award (another best player): John White
Bronko Nagurski Trophy (best defensive player): Star Lotulelei
Outland Trophy (interior lineman): Star Lotulelei
Rimington Trophy (center): Tevita Stevens
Doak Walker Award (running back): John White
Does someone else want to find BYU players on the lists?
https://www.ncfaa.org/12watchlists.pdf
Good find. Sure, here you go:
Cody Hoffman - BILETNIKOFF AWARD
Uona Kaveinga - BUTKUS AWARD
Riley Stephenson - RAY GUY AWARD
Braden Hansen - ROTARY LOMBARDI AWARD
Kyle Van Noy - ROTARY LOMBARDI AWARD
Riley Nelson - MAXWELL AWARD
Kyle Van Noy - BRONKO NAGURSKI TROPHY
Riley Nelson - DAVEY O’BRIEN AWARD
Braden Hansen - OUTLAND TROPHY
Michael Alisa - DOAK WALKER AWARD
Edit: Oh, and in case you failed to notice this:
# awards being watched = BYU 10 , Utah 10 (tie)
# athletes being watched = BYU 7, Utah 5 (advantage BYU)
But... WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LAST TEN YEARS HERE! Didn't you see the STATS that green posted?!
green
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I agree with this. For the life of me, I'll never get why they let Heaps struggle through the only decent teams, then pull him their pathetic WAC schedule and let Nelson look good against crappy competition then crown him the hero. Anyone would have looked good against those teams.
green
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Ahhh. BYU....preseason national champs......but when the season ends, no awards, no draft picks, nowhere to be seen.
7StraightIsGreat
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I think Travis Wilson is going to be the real deal and could contribute as a true freshman. Once again, I'll agree with Conan that Chase Hansen is in the Riley Nelson mode. However, with Hansen going off on a mission after this year, I also doubt he'll ever see a snap at QB. Utah just nailed a commit from Conner Manning, a QB out of SoCal that broke the single season passing yardage record for the county which was previously held by Matt Barkley. He's only a 3 star, and Utah got in on him really early, so it's hard to tell if any of the major schools had much interest. Rivals listed USC, Wisconson, Colorado, and Oregon St. as some of the bigger name schools that were interested. Take that list with a grain of salt. I think USC is 4-deep at QB with former elite 11 QB's, so I'm not quite sure just how interested they were in him.
This early of a verbal is always a bit shaky. The kid has yet to take any official visits, so while it's a nice get for Utah, it's far from signing day yet. However, I think it shows that Chase Hansen is probably going to have trouble inserting himself back into the QB debate once returning from his mission. Travis Wilson could still be here finishing his senior year, Conner Manning could possibly be there waiting in the wings as a RS Junior, and I think Utah learned from getting caught with their pants down last year when they had to bring in a QB from Division 12 to back up a QB who isn't that good to begin with. They should be a lot more active in keeping that QB pipleline full from here on out.
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YEAR PLAYER AWARD
2001 Luke Staley Doak Walker Award
1991 Ty Detmer Davey O'Brien Award
1990 Ty Detmer Davey O'Brien Award
1990 Ty Detmer Heisman Memorial Trophy
1990 Ty Detmer Maxwell Award
1989 Mo Elewonibi Outland Trophy
1986 Jason Buck Outland Trophy
1983 Steve Young Davey O'Brien Award
1981 Jim McMahon Davey O'Brien Award
YEAR PLAYER AWARD
2004 Urban Meyer The Home Depot Award
Ok, so BYU players have won 9 awards in their history.
Utah players have won 0... I repeat ZERO awards in their history.
Good thing they had Urban come in and win the Home Depot Award... what the crap is that? They couldn't get a player to win an award, but they got a coach to win an award... and nobody even knows what the heck it is. I think it's an award for the fastest time between telling fans you will stay and having all of your things on a plane to somewhere else.
UGLI baby
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Whooaaa Mo Elibandubi won the Outland trophy in 89'?? You guys DO have the better program!
I see the backpedaling... nice. Run away. I heard rumors that the Yewt players with Pac 12 talent were supposed to be faster than the BYU players... but I didn't know that was also true of their fans.
Run Forest!!!
1. Yewt fan says BYU sucks because they don't have awards.
2. Yewt fan is informed that BYU has won awards, and Yewtah has not won any awards.
3. Yewt fan no longer thinks awards are important.
Did all Yewt fans go through change of direction drills with Urban back in the day?
It's like trying to follow the flight pattern of a fly.
UGLI baby
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What the hell are you talking about?
I just popped in while you dorks were arguing about sagarin ratings and preseason awards. Neither of which I care anything about. Is Utah's bball program stronger right now because Bogut won the Naismith a few years ago??
I was responding to a post from green about awards. Bad luck you jumped in the middle of it. If you jump into the middle of a firefight, don't complain when you get shot, dork.
Personally I don't care about awards, but yes they do help the program. It is a small thing, but if a player is being recruited and knows it's possible to win an award at that school it may help a tiny bit. Yes, other things make much more of an impact on that, but it is a positive for a program.
I would say that the fact Bogut won the Naismith helped the program, and it could be true, but the negatives at this point outweigh that small positive by so much that it doesn't really matter.
Admittedly, I jumped on the defensive a little by stating that I would take Wynn over Nelson every time, but that wasn't really my point. Thriller said Nelson is "light years ahead" of Wynn. I don't agree with that. They both have some strengths and some glaring weaknesses, but I just don't see Nelson as significantly better than Wynn. But that really isn't any kinds of props to either player.
The problem with Wynn is, he has not shown himself to be enough QB for the schedule he has to play. I realize this. If he can't get his **** together, he's going to be exposed on a weekly basis. I want to be optimistic and believe that something is going to finally click with him. Maybe it will. Or maybe he'll flat out suck, and be on a short leash, and someone else will step up and maximize their opportunity. Or maybe we're just thin at QB (mostly in the area of experience), and it will take some time for a solid starter to emerge.
But if I can't be optimistic about my team, why bother being a fan?
SaltyDawg
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We haven't seen a healthy Wynn since he was a true freshman. Any judgment right now (other than him being injury prone) is premature.
He was good enough as a true freshman for me to be confident that he will be good if he can stay healthy. Certainly much better than Riley Nelson.
He was good enough as a true freshman for me to be confident that he will be good if he can stay healthy. Certainly much better than Riley Nelson.