No BYU-Utah Rivalry Football Games in 2014 or 2015
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YEAR PLAYER AWARD
2001 Luke Staley Doak Walker Award
1991 Ty Detmer Davey O'Brien Award
1990 Ty Detmer Davey O'Brien Award
1990 Ty Detmer Heisman Memorial Trophy
1990 Ty Detmer Maxwell Award
1989 Mo Elewonibi Outland Trophy
1986 Jason Buck Outland Trophy
1983 Steve Young Davey O'Brien Award
1981 Jim McMahon Davey O'Brien Award
YEAR PLAYER AWARD
2004 Urban Meyer The Home Depot Award
Ok, so BYU players have won 9 awards in their history.
Utah players have won 0... I repeat ZERO awards in their history.
Good thing they had Urban come in and win the Home Depot Award... what the crap is that? They couldn't get a player to win an award, but they got a coach to win an award... and nobody even knows what the heck it is. I think it's an award for the fastest time between telling fans you will stay and having all of your things on a plane to somewhere else.
UGLI baby
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Whooaaa Mo Elibandubi won the Outland trophy in 89'?? You guys DO have the better program!
I see the backpedaling... nice. Run away. I heard rumors that the Yewt players with Pac 12 talent were supposed to be faster than the BYU players... but I didn't know that was also true of their fans.
Run Forest!!!
1. Yewt fan says BYU sucks because they don't have awards.
2. Yewt fan is informed that BYU has won awards, and Yewtah has not won any awards.
3. Yewt fan no longer thinks awards are important.
Did all Yewt fans go through change of direction drills with Urban back in the day?
It's like trying to follow the flight pattern of a fly.
UGLI baby
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What the hell are you talking about?
I just popped in while you dorks were arguing about sagarin ratings and preseason awards. Neither of which I care anything about. Is Utah's bball program stronger right now because Bogut won the Naismith a few years ago??
I was responding to a post from green about awards. Bad luck you jumped in the middle of it. If you jump into the middle of a firefight, don't complain when you get shot, dork.
Personally I don't care about awards, but yes they do help the program. It is a small thing, but if a player is being recruited and knows it's possible to win an award at that school it may help a tiny bit. Yes, other things make much more of an impact on that, but it is a positive for a program.
I would say that the fact Bogut won the Naismith helped the program, and it could be true, but the negatives at this point outweigh that small positive by so much that it doesn't really matter.
Admittedly, I jumped on the defensive a little by stating that I would take Wynn over Nelson every time, but that wasn't really my point. Thriller said Nelson is "light years ahead" of Wynn. I don't agree with that. They both have some strengths and some glaring weaknesses, but I just don't see Nelson as significantly better than Wynn. But that really isn't any kinds of props to either player.
The problem with Wynn is, he has not shown himself to be enough QB for the schedule he has to play. I realize this. If he can't get his **** together, he's going to be exposed on a weekly basis. I want to be optimistic and believe that something is going to finally click with him. Maybe it will. Or maybe he'll flat out suck, and be on a short leash, and someone else will step up and maximize their opportunity. Or maybe we're just thin at QB (mostly in the area of experience), and it will take some time for a solid starter to emerge.
But if I can't be optimistic about my team, why bother being a fan?
SaltyDawg
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We haven't seen a healthy Wynn since he was a true freshman. Any judgment right now (other than him being injury prone) is premature.
He was good enough as a true freshman for me to be confident that he will be good if he can stay healthy. Certainly much better than Riley Nelson.
He was good enough as a true freshman for me to be confident that he will be good if he can stay healthy. Certainly much better than Riley Nelson.
CONAN
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I don't care too much about who wins awards. For prestige it's nice but I'd rather have 10 players on watch lists versus 1 or 2 guys win an award. To me watch lists show you more about where the talent is on a team (and amount of talent) than anything else.
For example, the smack talk about Nelson versus Wynn. Even some Utes are grudgingly giving Nelson the nod but plenty of zoobs saying how much Nelson sucks (including myself). But he is on the QB watch list. Which really only puts him in the top third of college QBs. So for as much as we (Utes and Cougs) think Nelson sucks, he really is decent and the gap between him and Wynn may be bigger than we say. I mean Utes downgrade Nelson cuz he's a Cougar. Zoobs downgrade Nelson cuz he's below what we are used to from QBs here.
Time will tell.
For example, the smack talk about Nelson versus Wynn. Even some Utes are grudgingly giving Nelson the nod but plenty of zoobs saying how much Nelson sucks (including myself). But he is on the QB watch list. Which really only puts him in the top third of college QBs. So for as much as we (Utes and Cougs) think Nelson sucks, he really is decent and the gap between him and Wynn may be bigger than we say. I mean Utes downgrade Nelson cuz he's a Cougar. Zoobs downgrade Nelson cuz he's below what we are used to from QBs here.
Time will tell.
CONAN
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Being injury-prone is a pretty big deal. Talent is irrelevant if you can't stay on the field. Now if it's some freak accident then fine but Wynn is brittle and that's a factor. I've never seen a QB more uncomfortable with contact then Wynn. He doesn't know how to hit or take a hit or even run well.
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This is getting embarrassing. Way to go, Spazz, now there's ANOTHER thread that green can't come back to.
That's a damn good post.
UGLI baby
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Do you guys post stuff like this to make up for the fact that there wasnt an Internet in existence to post it on when it actually happened?