HystericalJazzFan
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I don't know what you think balls look like, but I don't see any on Pinocchio there.
freakazoid
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Your suckitude is quite impressive. It almost makes me wish they didn't BAN YOUR *** to kingdom come. Ok, that's a lie, but back on topic.
The point he made is that it is too soon to judge this trade one way or the other. KOC is a very good GM, regardless of how this trade turns out. Even if our NUMEROUS assets acquired in this trade don't work out well, KOC still got ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC trade value for a player who had one foot out the door. Anybody with half a brain cell can understand this.
If you want to complain about KOC, the real issue that could seriously end up being a massive blunder, is his failure to trade AL at a time that would have given us 90%-98% of keeping two valuable assets in a loaded draft. To me, that is by far the most valid criticism anybody could make about KOC right now, and even that may end up working out OK anyway.
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LULZ and like wat get a 14th pick ahahahahhahhha ok there bos who's last alstar pick @ 14 u kochaters are deluszhinal.
freakazoid
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tri 8 and 12 chief...or maybe better but timing is everything in the land
jon stocktown 16
karmal alone 13
jazz never get no good player like 4 losseses to spurs make us learn how to win lots more. Me got swamp land in flo rida for superduper number won price just 4 u.(;
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ha ha ha big shaman ovrr her thnks tht Marshall and Drummond R lyke Stock and Kawl.
freakazoid
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They don't need to be slick cuz all they gotta be is more valuable than 4 losses. That does sound kinda hard though cuz 4 losses has had so much impact on the history of this team like wayyyyyyy more than picks in that range ever did to help us. Lots a people think John and Karl were good, but the truth is we lost 4 games in a row back in 1979 and that was what made the jazz win all the time not stupid John and Karl.
Playas don't win games, losses wins games.
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Gonna break from the joking for a second, and ask if you were referring to losing 4 playoff games? Because Im pretty sure the Jazz never cracked 30 wins around the cusp of the year 1980.
The Fresh Prince
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Whats with your Big Mommas House obsession? I never went past the first movie.
Lakers_Slapper
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Did I say anything about attracting Howard, CP3 and Love?? Anything??? I said All Star players with no names specifically. The fact that we have not only NOT gone after a single All Star Player since KOC, and not a single All STAR player has even considered coming here since KOC came in, is proof enough. Any All Stars the Jazz have had were produced here but never an All Star before we got them. (Devin Harris??? Can you really count him? NO). All I'm saying is that we haven't attracted or even went after one single consistent All Star player. How the hell do you win a championship without an elite force in the NBA??? Its never been done before. Ta hell with KOC. Next time you quote me, don't respond with some stupid comment. If you have a hard time understanding, maybe drawing a picture will work better for your little peanut brain. Just to clear this up..... I said we couldn't attract all star's with KOC, I never said to create your own big 3 and the Jazz could get them if KOC wasn't the one running the show.
Scorpjazz
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Wow, are you for real? You know who KOC went after each season and you have the list? It has no allstars on it? hmm, mmk. Im sure when asked why they wouldnt come to Utah, most all stars would say first up, "It's that damn GM, KOC...wont come there cuz of him fo sho"
Get a grip, man. Dislike him, fine, far enough. But to say all stars also dislike him because your hate is so strong is sorta dumb. No, its really dumb.
Or you are saying he would never ever want a great player to come here, and that is also dumb.
Say he has made bad moves, in your opinion. Be realistic a bit maybe.
fishonjazz
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KOC signed jason terry to an offer sheet (all star) and corey maggette to an offer sheet (i think he has been an all star)
I remember hearing that we went after shawn marion (all star), and elton brand (all star).
Im sure there are more, but those are just off the top of my head real quick.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Believe me, this schtick of yours never gets old and each time I see your avatar I look forward to seeing how you're going to integrate your opinion of last year's eighth seed performance into your newest post, but what are you going to do if the Jazz take the next step in this year's playoffs and credit lessons learned in last year's playoffs. Have you not noticed that, in nearly every case, playoff success is somewhat of a progression? Will you just claim that they are giving lip service to the past and that they would have had the same result this season with or without the playoffs? If Hayward returns with a burning desire because of his playoff face plant last year will you give that any credit? If Favors has taken a step forward due to confidence he gained in the last game will that make any difference to you? If the team gels next season will you still be wishing we had two more rookies taking up spots and preventing either Marvin or Foye (as well as Murphy) from being on the squad?
Stifle Tower
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How many all-stars came here during the Stockton-Malone era? Ummm...
We signed former all-stars who were past their prime. We did trade for Hornacek. Other than that we had well-publicized rejections by players like Harper and Seikaly. KOC had signed offer sheets from Maggette and Terry. He brought in an up and coming player in Boozer and a very key big in Okur. Look at their stats the year before they signed. I think you can say both had all-star projections.
Bringing in an all-star as a FA is difficult: A) You're bidding against a number of teams, so count on paying top dollar (or overpaying); 2) You have to find one that WANTS to play in Utah; 3) Why isn't that player re-signing with his previous team (declining skills? attitude problems?).
Of the all-stars who changed teams in the last few years, tell me one who Utah had a chance of signing? I guess you can say we could have obtained Marion for AK. Yep, that reported trade was vetoed by Larry H. I don't remember CP3, Melo. Amare, Lebron, Dwade, Bosh or Howard ever saying they wanted to come to Utah.
So yes, by all means, let's sign or trade for over-priced, older guys like Johnson, Wallace, etc. and cripple the Jazz financially. Who knows...maybe the Jazz get a 5th seed for the next 3 years...until those players have to dumped to get the Jazz under the tax threshold. And having traded away a ton of picks to get aging all-stars, we'll be right in line to get the next great Anthony Davis or Andrew Bogut with a #1 pick.
Hitman
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Yes, how terrible KOC is that he doesn't sign All-Stars, instead he just signs guys that BECOME All-Stars at a fraction of the price.
cctrackstar
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The Jazz develop players rather than attract proven players due to our location. Has always been that way. Got them to the playoffs for years and years and the finals twice.
TheSilencer1313
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Yep, the Jazz don't have billionaire owners like New York, LA, and Brooklyn.
KOC has to find other ways to compete, and quite frankly I find it a lot more fun to watch a small market team, than any of the formentioned.
Thee Jazz Fan
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Evens Dunk in preseason that never was.