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Do nongolfers talk about how much they don't play golf? Do they hold fundraisers and social gatherings? Do they have tattoo's of their non-golfing symbol on their skin?

Atheists constantly talk about religion. I do not believe in unicorns. I do not go around writing books called the "Unicorn Delusion", "Unicorns Are Not Great", or "The End of Unicorns."

Atheists sure are obsessed with god. They claim it is because it affects their civil liberties. They claim religion poisons societies. They point towards Osama Bin Laden who killed 3 thousand but ignore Pol Pot who killd 3 million (20% of his country, within 2-3 years), or Stalin who killed 20 Million, or Mao who killed 65 million. They then say religion is the reason why gays can't marry. How many countries in Asia allow marriage? Japan, China are they religious? Not a single country in Asia allows gay's to marry.
 
PearlWatson said:
Why is it offensive then?
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For the same reason it would be offensive to say you are a creationist because you are dim-witted, uneducated, uncreative and unimaginative. It is not only false, but it also casts the entire group of creationists as possessing these abilities based on no evidence nor reasoning.
 
One Brow said:
Is 80%-95% of the populace golfers, who of whom refuse to recognize the ability of a non-golfer to be a just and moral person even without playing golf?
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Atheists think that theists are delusional and idiots.

Now theists believe that God is a solid foundation for morals. They believe that atheism doesn't have this sound foundation from morals...

But theists don't agree with you so they shouldn't be able to have their rights, right?
 
Hack said:
I'm happy for you. Sounds like you got it all figured out.

Thanks for replying to my whole post too by the way..

I never said I'm 100% certain.

I understand why someone would have a problem believing in a god. I struggle with it too. The biggest problem I have with it and probably the same for others is the fact that life isn't fair. That some people are just dealt terrible hands in life. And it doesn't sit with people that supposedly there is a god and he loves you but would let you suffer.

I get all that.

But what keeps me thinking maybe there is, is the free will argument. I can see how life wouldn't be what it is without mystery, without mystery there would be no imagination, no creativity, no emotions, nothing. Without having it the way it is there would be no fear, no struggle, no laughter, no happiness, no sadness, no emotions what's so ever. No character building. Nothing.

If everyone could see a god and knew for sure. I can see how it would change everything.
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The natural world and the complexity of humanity fill me with wonder and awe and are a source of constant mystery. Personally, I don't need belief in an invisible, all powerful deity, the contemplation of which offers me none of the aforementioned benefits.
 
The Black Swordsman said:
Atheists think that theists are delusional and idiots.
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I don't think theists are idiots.

The Black Swordsman said:
Now theists believe that God is a solid foundation for morals. They believe that atheism doesn't have this sound foundation from morals...

But theists don't agree with you so they shouldn't be able to have their rights, right?
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Well, the theists are factually wrong about atheists not having an array of solid foundatons for morals from which to choose. However, I support their right to believe what is factually wrong, as long as they don't try to make it government policy.
 
The Black Swordsman said:
So you are saying that when you pray you expect miracles to happen and that is why you don't believe in god? In Islam a miracle means "sign of prophethood" and Muhammad was the last prophet.

Extraordinary Claims do require extraordinary evidence. I have provided that here.
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?9826-Why-I-think-being-a-Muslim-is-rational&highlight=muslim
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I love how you ignored half of my post and ignored simple question as well. Answer it.

You call that evidence? ROFL. Seriously, give up, there is no evidence.
 
The Black Swordsman said:
Atheists think that theists are delusional and idiots.

Now theists believe that God is a solid foundation for morals. They believe that atheism doesn't have this sound foundation from morals...

But theists don't agree with you so they shouldn't be able to have their rights, right?
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To the contrary, I find belief itself to be highly rational, while I also find many believers personally to be highly irrational, delusional, and idiotic.

But while I see belief in something without evidence for it to be rational in an evolutionary sense, I don't see this necessarily as a virtue, nor do I in any way see it as a legitimate basis for public policy.
 
The Black Swordsman said:
Many people have a problem with believing in god because they have never been loved in their life. The idea of a god loving them is simply too foreign to them. They then turn around and pretend it is because of science.
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I'm sorry, but this is stupid. Being loved or unloved is neither a condition for belief or disbelief. The ignorance of believers about atheists always amazes me. I, for example, just love it when they try to claim that atheism, or science, are really akin to religious belief. Nothing advertises their ignorance in bright, big neon lights quite like this one.

On the other hand, being counted among the believers for most of my life, I think I have a pretty good handle on that world view.

If the evidence existed, I'd bet that the more common reaction to not being loved would be to latch onto a belief in a supernatural deity who offers you love and acceptance as opposed to a rejection of this deity. But there's no way I'm aware of to prove or disprove this.
 
AKMVP said:
I love how you ignored half of my post and ignored simple question as well. Answer it.

You call that evidence? ROFL. Seriously, give up, there is no evidence.
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Both the bible and the Qur'an say something about this.

Proverbs 18:2 A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion. (stolin from PW)

Quran 6:25 And among them are those who listen to you, but We have placed over their hearts coverings, lest they understand it, and in their ears deafness. And if they should see every sign, they will not believe in it. Even when they come to you arguing with you, those who disbelieve say, "This is not but legends of the former peoples."

You can say that the sky is not blue all you want, it does not make the sky any other color besides blue.
 
One Brow said:
For the same reason it would be offensive to say you are a creationist because you are dim-witted, uneducated, uncreative and unimaginative. It is not only false, but it also casts the entire group of creationists as possessing these abilities based on no evidence nor reasoning.
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There ain't any parallel there, but it is good to know you believe it to be false.

He said some atheists don't believe in God because they weren't loved [as children]. I'm sure he had perfectly good reasoning for that. The same as AKMVP saying people believe in God for comfort sake. They are both true.

Maybe the offense comes in because atheists hate the truth.
 
PearlWatson said:
Of course you do. There is no other reason to bring Paul Bunyan, unicorns, and the like into the discussion of God.
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I don't see how my appraisal of the intelligence of believers has any bearing on the use of these analogies. Why do you think they are related?
 
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