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Trading for Jefferson: Player A or Player B?

idiot

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Suppose Lindsey decides to move on from Al Jefferson, but wants a center in return as part of the compensation. Who do you prefer for the Jazz’s mid-to-long term configuration – Player A or Player B?

2011-12 Stats:

Big Al A B
Age (now) 27 22 23
Pts/36 20.3 21.4 12.0
Rbs/36 10.1 13.0 11.7
TS% .520 .499 .608
Asst/36 2.3 1.9 0.7
Stl/36 0.8 1.7 1.1
Blk/36 1.8 1.4 1.9
Tov/36 1.1 3.1 1.5
PF/36 2.7 4.7 4.4
Usage% 25.7 29.7 14.0
WinSh/48 .173 .104 .163

Keep in mind that Player B would likely come much more cheaply than Player A, as Player A is regarded as having great potential, while Player B is not. Player B might possibly come with some other additional helpful asset in a trade while Player A would not. Like Big Al, Player A is considered very talented around the league in large part because of his ability to draw double teams and create shots for himself on virtually any play. Player B cannot do that.

Both Player A and Player B are full-sized NBA centers. Nobody accuses them of being undersized. Both have reputations for average- to slightly-below-average athleticism. Both are perhaps average at defense, though I’ve seen some surprisingly good evaluations recently. While Player A led the NBA in fouls committed, a healthy chunk ahead of the #2 guy (Millsap), he also is reputed to have been a league leader in charges drawn. He’s clearly a very physical player, both committing and drawing lots of fouls, both offensive and defensive. Player B has evolved into a pretty good energy guy, with at least some P&R capability on defense and is now noted as a very good floor runner. Player A is not a good floor runner.

Player A was essentially handed the reins of the team once he was drafted, and has (so far) been fairly inefficient with high usage. Player B never got much playing time after being drafted and currently competes against two other legitimate NBA centers on his team for playing time. He played less than 20 minutes a game last year. Player B began his career as quite inefficient offensively, but now, with a lower usage percent has very good efficiency. Player B has had much better coaching to this stage of his career than Player A.

Hopefully it’s easy to figure out who these players are. Both have been talked about quite a bit on Jazzfanz. If Player B joined the team and was competing for time with Kanter, it could create an interesting international situation in SE Europe.

In reality, because of contracts and other issues, neither is likely to be a trade the Jazz could pull off. But I just wanted to open up two issues: a) what kind of assets would be good for the Jazz moving forward with the current configuration of the team; and b) how to judge potential vs. production as well as volume vs. efficiency with young players (and perhaps the old issue of whether throwing playing time at young players is the best strategy).

EDIT: Sorry that the spacing formatting didn't work out in the stats section.
 
Thanks guys just been nothing to talk about. Was tired of the same drivel.

As for jake not good right now. They found out today that his anti-nausea meds are spiking his blood sugar it was at 378. Now they are worried that he might be getting chemo induced diabetes. His kidneys are struggling with the chemo and the new treatment might give him lukeimia. his acn levels are 0. That means no white blood cells are platelettes.
 
Thanks guys just been nothing to talk about. Was tired of the same drivel.

As for jake not good right now. They found out today that his anti-nausea meds are spiking his blood sugar it was at 378. Now they are worried that he might be getting chemo induced diabetes. His kidneys are struggling with the chemo and the new treatment might give him lukeimia. his acn levels are 0. That means no white blood cells are platelettes.


God bless Jake, and all of you as well. Keep the spirits high, MANY have made comebacks with more bleak circumstances. Tell Jake to keep up the great work, and to persevere like Millsap did in Miami a couple of years ago :)
 
I think you should add joakim Noah to the list. I could see tha trade happening also

Yeah, I'd take him over Demarcus or Kosta. I'd surely take Cousins over Koufos if it was a one-to-one choice. But any trade for Kosta would likely bring back and additional asset, and any trade for Cousins would likely demand an additional asset. In that case, I just might go with Koufos. With Kanter, I think he'd provide a good enough duo with what we have going on with the Jazz. I'm just assuming that since so many of us are not happy with Al's heavy need for the ball on offense, we'd quickly run out of patience with Cousins as well.

But for the Cousins supporters, please give me an argument why we'd be much happier with him than Al.
 
But for the Cousins supporters, please give me an argument why we'd be much happier with him than Al.
2 more years on a rookie contract, followed by restricted free agency. Young with potential, great rebounder, competitor. Better size.
 
Yeah, I'd take him over Demarcus or Kosta. I'd surely take Cousins over Koufos if it was a one-to-one choice. But any trade for Kosta would likely bring back and additional asset, and any trade for Cousins would likely demand an additional asset. In that case, I just might go with Koufos. With Kanter, I think he'd provide a good enough duo with what we have going on with the Jazz. I'm just assuming that since so many of us are not happy with Al's heavy need for the ball on offense, we'd quickly run out of patience with Cousins as well.

But for the Cousins supporters, please give me an argument why we'd be much happier with him than Al.

I actually quite like your posts. Not this one. Not a single word of it. Terrible. Piss on it.
 
2 more years on a rookie contract, followed by restricted free agency. Young with potential, great rebounder, competitor. Better size.

All about youth/potential (with the exception of competitiveness). To that extent, I agree. But nothing about the playing-style/efficiency issues, which seems to be much too similar to Al for my liking.
 
I actually quite like your posts. Not this one. Not a single word of it. Terrible. Piss on it.

I'm curious as to what you see Cousins turning into. Do you expect both above-average efficiency and high-volume production? Or, like Koufos, will he need to greatly reduce his usage to increase efficiency? I'm quite doubtful that he'd ever reduce his usage to increase efficiency, if that's what it took, but you know him much better than I do.
 
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