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PKM said:
To be clear, my friends that have made these statements (and I believe it's a predominant feeling nationwide, within that group) are concerned about how the country will be run/ policies enacted. These statements weren't made at the beginning of Obamas first term.. So it's not a dem thing, a black thing, or whatever.. Whether they're right or wrong, it's a feeling that Obama, specifically, will create policies that will stifle growth amongst their business sectors.

Every business is different. Each target different socio-economic demographics.. each business owner has the right to read the tea leaves and deduce whether policies will either help or hurt their ability to thrive.

Nothing personal, it's just corporate strategy given changing circumstances.
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No I wasn't implying that you or your friends were making racist/partisan decisions. Sorry if it came across that way.

I agree, you/they have the right to "read the tea leaves" and contract your businesses however you want, whenever you want.

I was merely stating that you can't run the government that way.

Can you imagine if Obama said he was going to retract the economy if the dems didn't retake the house? (and that's what I was saying about McConnell, he said something similar when he said their #1 goal was to keep Obama from being re-elected, and as we can all see that pretty much shut down the government and was detrimental to the nation).

Anyway, my point is that if you treat the government like a business the country would be in trouble. I wasn't saying you or your friends are racist or partisan or anything like that.
 
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PKM said:
To be clear, my friends that have made these statements (and I believe it's a predominant feeling nationwide, within that group) are concerned about how the country will be run/ policies enacted. These statements weren't made at the beginning of Obamas first term.. So it's not a dem thing, a black thing, or whatever.. Whether they're right or wrong, it's a feeling that Obama, specifically, will create policies that will stifle growth amongst their business sectors.
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So they run on intuition rather than facts. And they're successful? I'm envious of their luck.
 
The Thriller said:
Where were your cries about our children and grandchildren when your President decided to invade not 1 but 2 countries at the same time?

Where was the concern over growing and expanding and intrusive government when you patted your President on the *** when he passed the Patriot Act?

Where were your complaints over the deficit when Bush crashed and burned the Clinton surplus?

Why do you folks complain about buying off votes with promises of "handouts" to poor people while at the same time promising lower taxes (aka handouts) for the rich?

Why do you make fun of Clinton (still) for his ah-hem fun in the white house while ignore the crimes that Bush and Cheney committed? Not only war crimes but crimes where they leaked out names of CIA agents, cooked up evidence to go to war, and unconstitutional programs?
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Thank you Thriller.
 
SaltyDawg said:
So Bush starts 2 unfunded wars, expands Medicare, and then right before leaving office decides to give the banks a trillion dollar bailout. All of this unfunded.

Obama steps into office, well into the worst recession since the great depression, and has to somehow pay for all of this stuff that Bush did.

And somehow republicans are complaining about Obama's spending because of this?

Let's be fair here. Take out the 2 wars, the Medicare expansion, and the bank bailout (all stuff Obama didn't do, was just asked to pay for what was already done by the previous guy). Add in the obamacare (if it's not already added in). And how does Obama's spending look at that point? How does Bush's look at that point?

This is pretty much moot anyway, as just about everyone is now realizing that Romney never had a chance. Throughout all the flip flopping, unpatriotic actions like draft dodging in France, hiding money in the Cayman Islands, outsourcing, and the many gaffes, the one thing that put the final nail in the coffin was a leaked video where Romney expressed his true feelings.
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Great stuff.
 
Doesn't the government already treat itself like a business?.... or corporation?
Insider trading, buy offs, giant bureaucracies..... sounds about right.
 
PKM said:
To be clear, my friends that have made these statements (and I believe it's a predominant feeling nationwide, within that group) are concerned about how the country will be run/ policies enacted. These statements weren't made at the beginning of Obamas first term.. So it's not a dem thing, a black thing, or whatever.. Whether they're right or wrong, it's a feeling that Obama, specifically, will create policies that will stifle growth amongst their business sectors.

Every business is different. Each target different socio-economic demographics.. each business owner has the right to read the tea leaves and deduce whether policies will either help or hurt their ability to thrive.

Nothing personal, it's just corporate strategy given changing circumstances.
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You act like Obama's policies will only do bad things. Can you not see the bigger picture? Will they not help anyone else?
I get that you see Obama's policy may not be the best for you, but on a whole can you see how Romney's is bad for a lot of people too?

It may not be a dem or black thing to you, but it was for many before he was elected. They would call out his middle name on Fox.
He's not an American, Christian...etc etc. We saw a lot of people's hatred come out, and it wasn't pretty
 
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SaltyDawg said:
No I wasn't implying that you or your friends were making racist/partisan decisions. Sorry if it came across that way.

I agree, you/they have the right to "read the tea leaves" and contract your businesses however you want, whenever you want.

I was merely stating that you can't run the government that way.

Can you imagine if Obama said he was going to retract the economy if the dems didn't retake the house? (and that's what I was saying about McConnell, he said something similar when he said their #1 goal was to keep Obama from being re-elected, and as we can all see that pretty much shut down the government and was detrimental to the nation).

Anyway, my point is that if you treat the government like a business the country would be in trouble. I wasn't saying you or your friends are racist or partisan or anything like that.
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I think the bigger picture here is where is the pressure on the Republican congress? Why are they free of any blame. It's all on Obama, and his policy.

The Republicans are too tied up in too many religious idealism, and hatred of Liberals to be pro-business anymore.

They fill the radio waves daily with hatred tirades against Obama(and still have the gall to call themselves Christians). They have Fox news, and many papers, but still love to talk about the liberal media. They have lost their way, and to support their far right wing movement is a huge step in the wrong direction.
 
Revolution 9 said:
I think the bigger picture here is where is the pressure on the Republican congress? Why are they free of any blame. It's all on Obama, and his policy.

The Republicans are too tied up in too many religious idealism, and hatred of Liberals to be pro-business anymore.

They fill the radio waves daily with hatred tirades against Obama(and still have the gall to call themselves Christians). They have Fox news, and many papers, but still love to talk about the liberal media. They have lost their way, and to support their far right wing movement is a huge step in the wrong direction.
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That is what the republicans would like you to believe but i do not think it is true. Public approval of congress is at an all time low. Members are being replaced right and left. Here in Utah Mia Love is beating the incumbant Jim Matheson by 6% according to the news last night.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freshman_class_members_of_the_111th_United_States_Congress

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012...ating-all-time-low-gallup-poll_n_1777207.html

https://politics.nytimes.com/congress/members/112/house/departures

Edit: The right has lost their way. Moderate members of the republican party are being replaced with Tea Party members at an alarming rate. Add that with the disappearance of Blue Dog Democrats and we find ourselves where we are today. Two parties of extremes with almost no voices of mederation adn reason. No compromise on any issue and nothing gets done unless one extreme has a majority.
 
Stoked said:
Edit: The right has lost their way. Moderate members of the republican party are being replaced with Tea Party members at an alarming rate. Add that with the disappearance of Blue Dog Democrats and we find ourselves where we are today. Two parties of extremes with almost no voices of mederation adn reason. No compromise on any issue and nothing gets done unless one extreme has a majority.
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The Blue Dog Democrats were also swallowed up by the Tea Party. It's not like the Democrats have made some great lurch left. The Affordable Care Act was basically a Republican version of health care. Obama's foreign policy looks a lot like a Republican foreign policy. Obama's security policy looks a lot like a Republican's security policy. Etc.
 
One Brow said:
The Blue Dog Democrats were also swallowed up by the Tea Party. It's not like the Democrats have made some great lurch left.
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This. In fact in his post that you quoted, he mentioned Jim Matheson (blue dog democrat) is currently getting beat by Mia Love (tea party).
 
One Brow said:
The Blue Dog Democrats were also swallowed up by the Tea Party. It's not like the Democrats have made some great lurch left. The Affordable Care Act was basically a Republican version of health care. Obama's foreign policy looks a lot like a Republican foreign policy. Obama's security policy looks a lot like a Republican's security policy. Etc.
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Blue Dogs being replaced by Tea Party, ok. I never said who is replacing them. Also does who is replacing them change the fact that all the moderates are disappearing and all you are left with is hard left and hard right people in congress? Either way the end result is the same. No compromise.

If all the Blue Dogs are being replaced by Tea partiers what does that tell you about the populaces in those areas?
 
SaltyDawg said:
This. In fact in his post that you quoted, he mentioned Jim Matheson (blue dog democrat) is currently getting beat by Mia Love (tea party).
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I love how you ignored, I know you picked up on it, the point of my post in your desire to lay all this at the feet of the right.

Jesus Christ. I'm not in the mood for this **** today.
 
Stoked said:
I love how you ignored, I know you picked up on it, the point of my post in your desire to lay all this at the feet of the right.

Jesus Christ. I'm not in the mood for this **** today.
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Why would the point of your post have been relevant in my response to one brow?

One brow said blue dog democrats were being replaced by tea partiers. I agreed, and pointed to an example in your post.

So why was anything else in your post supposed to be relevant in my response to one brow about tea partiers replacing blue dog democrats?
 
I can't wait for the debates so Salty can pull out the Romney is a flip flopper divert away from Obama's failures card. I hope Romney asks Obama why he's murdering innocent civilians and hurting our chances of gaining Afghani support. He knows murdering children didn't work for Bill Clinton so why is he continuing these failed policies?
 
franklin said:
I can't wait for the debates so Salty can pull out the Romney is a flip flopper divert away from Obama's failures card. I hope Romney asks Obama why he's murdering innocent civilians and hurting our chances of gaining Afghani support. He knows murdering children didn't work for Bill Clinton so why is he continuing these failed policies?
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I hope Romney asks about that too. It will be a good opportunity for Obama to remind everyone that he has pretty much destroyed al qaida.
 
franklin said:
I hope Romney asks Obama why he's murdering innocent civilians and hurting our chances of gaining Afghani support.
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It would be very nice to live in a country where at least one of the two political parties actualy objected to killing innocent civilians. However, we don't, so Romney won't ask that question. It would upset his base too much.
 
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