SaltyDawg
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Or push the little microphone button and just speak instead.
my last dumb phone
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Or push the little microphone button and just speak instead.
Totally, dictating an engineering report is the same as your little txts.
SaltyDawg
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So there's a market for an app? How many people would buy the app that could do it? Maybe I should get on that and make a few mil since everyone needs it. See what my little txts can do...
You could always use a Bluetooth keyboard, or even a USB keyboard on the newer phones.
I know you're not being serious, just pointing out I can be a douchebag too.
I no longer know what your point is. Mobile is not replacing PCs for any serious tasks (that means business or academic, not instagram) any time soon. Desktops are far more powerful than smartphones in terms of computation, which makes them vastly more useful for wide range of operations. Smartphones are great since they operate as a collection of sensors tied to a brain, which is perfect for a portable device in an increasingly networked world. If Windows 8 (not RT) actually fulfills its promises, then tablets will replace laptops within a couple of years. Nothing will replace desktops for hundreds of millions of users that need them for involved computational work until we hit some new paradigm that I can't predict.
Those are FACTS. I am not interested in pursuing some petty debate about how much you like your cell phone.
That's my night/weekend job.
My wife has one, as do three of my kids. I have never felt the need/desire for one.
Depends on how you divy up what you are adding.
Communicating over the internet can be easily encrypted. Calculating not so much.
Unlikely. I think we do different things.
No app exists on both platforms. There are apps for the PC that are similar to apps for the smartphone, but they are not the same app.
There are no general children, just individual children.
SaltyDawg
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Great, because that's, like, exactly the opposite of everything I have ever said.
More like it's exactly the opposite of nothing I've ever said.
Again, since you keep wanting to create your own topic and then argue against it, I never ever said a cellphone had more "computational power" than a laptop. I said it was faster. And I even gave an analogy of a motorhome being more powerful, yet still slower, than a camaro.
If you still can't understand this, then yes, you need to just drop it at this point.
Name the app that opens faster on the desktop than the phone. Otherwise, you're arguing a different point.
By the way, walk through the U of U campus someday. A strong argument can be made that mobile has already replaced PC on the academic front. Everyone has a tablet, not very many laptops.
Any app that exists on both platform with similar functionality would be far faster on a desktop. Those are few and far apart, since x86 is at least a magnitude ahead of even the best ARM SOC. One example I used earlier today was Google Earth. My desktop has no problem rendering the cities in great detail nearly instantly, while my attempts with the Razr HD either took forever, or gave deformed and undetailed renderings. And the mobile app is still not full featured (but close).
SaltyDawg
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Oh, okay. I thought I was going crazy for a minute there and had you mistaken for someone else.
It's one of those things that once you experience it, you never go back. Kind of like (to borrow an analogy from gameface) going from dial up to broadband internet. I have personally never met anyone that had a smartphone and went back to a dumbphone (with the exception of a few people who had financial issues and were forced to downgrade, but hated the downgrade and eventually got another smartphone).
You could say something similar about almost anything. I was thinking "like for like" when I posted it though.
It's the same thing. Communicating to a server that is doing calculations is no different than communicating with a server that is streaming video.
I'm sure we do. But I'm sure we do some of the same things too (we both post here, for example).
Sure they are. Chrome on a phone uses the same engine and displays the same web pages as chrome on a desktop. The desktop version is more bloated, yes. But it's still the same app, ported to a different platform.
I'm not arguing against a desktop being able to handle more tabs. But the app itself will be faster on the phone until the phone exceeds it processing capabilities.
There are definitely some characteristics shared by most children.
SaltyDawg
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I disagree that an app would be faster on a pc, and I also disagree that they are few and far between.
Go to the chrome app store in Google chrome. Almost every app there has an android version, and I haven't found one yet that ran faster on the computer.
As for Google earth, I honestly don't know about that one. I never use it. Don't have it on the phone or the computer. I'll concede that you are probably right about that one, since I honestly don't know.
But that is one out of many, many that I have tried.
I can literally open up a hundred Chromes in about a minute. Literally. It instantly opens as soon as I double click the icon. No more than a few hundred millisecond delay. I just tried hitting ctl+n and ctr+t as fast as I can, and the computer can handle it at full speed without any issue. Chrome on my smartphone crashes about a hundred times a day and is generally pretty bad. I use Dolphin on Android, which is excellent. But it's not even a fraction of the speed I get on a desktop, and I never open more than a few tabs. It almost seems like your experience with desktops stopped around 2008 with a virus ridden windows XP system.
I would even show you how fast I can open up different instances of Chrome and just how many. But It's a bit late to capture and upload videos, so it'll have to wait.
SaltyDawg
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Chrome works fine for me, you must have a bad copy or something. It's way faster than Dolphin (which I agree, dolphin is great, just not as fast as chrome).
It's still better than most of the drawn-out political argument threads we've had.
I am firmly pro-life when it comes to this thread
I'm happy to concede that nyone who finds the cost of a smartphone to be a fair privce for the value of the features offered will always make that determination. For me, the value is not there. Handing me a smartphone won't suddenly create value in my eyes.
Correct, and once the public server decrypts information, the information is decrypted and in a public arena. This will never be appropriate for sensitive data.
More feature means a different code means a different program, even with superficial similarities.
Correct, and once the public server decrypts information, the information is decrypted and in a public arena. This will never be appropriate for sensitive data.
More feature means a different code means a different program, even with superficial similarities.
SaltyDawg
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I think almost everybody said this same thing at some point. They said it before they bought their smartphone, they said it before they got rid if of dial up and got broadband, they said it before they started paying for cable/satellite tv, they said it before they starting making car payments every month, they said it before they stopped renting and signed a 30 year mortgage, and so on. A lot of people don't want to see the value in paying more for something before they experience the benefits. But when they are experiencing the benefits of it, they often don't want to give them up.
Who said anything about a public server decrypting anything? That's not how it works. You can certainly choose to have your information decrypted by a public server if you want, but that is not how big companies use the cloud. The servers doing the encrypting/decrypting are not public servers. You need to connect through a VPN to access them.
That is not what it means, lol. There are always some changes when an app is ported.
Look at almost any game that is on Wii, Xbox, PlayStation, and PC. There are always some differences, but nobody ever says it's a different game.
We're not talking superficial similarities here. The example I keep using, Chrome, uses the exact same engine on PC and mobile. It lost some weight on the mobile side, but it still works the same way and does the same thing (displays web pages).
I remember when Rock Band first came out. You could download content on Xbox, but not the PS3 or Wii. Later the PS3 started letting you download, but not the Wii. I can't remember if the Wii version started letting people download eventually or not, but if they ever did it wasn't for a long time (over a year, at least, if ever). The point is nobody ever called it a different game. It was still the same Rock Band game, just had less features than the other console ports.
I don't think you make the initial outlay for a smartphone, braodband, etc. unless you perceive they will have value for you before yo uget them.
This is a leftover tangent from the discussion of the ability of smartphones to replace PCs using teh cloud to do the computing. It's moot, I think.
Working the same way and doing the same thing is the superficial similarity to which I referred. Underneath that, while I'm sure sections of code get preserved, a lot of the code for Chrome would have needed to be rewritten to work in a smartphone. Chrome on a PC and Chrome on a smartphone really are very different programs. However, I don't expect you to believe this on my word. Ask around.
SaltyDawg
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Or unless your job gives it to you and requires you to use it. Or your son gives it to you for your birthday and pays the first 3 months. Or the hot chick you're dating has you stay at her (broadband enabled) house while her job sends her to Singapore for a month.
There are countless ways people get hooked on this stuff when they had previously thought they would never pay that much.
Yeah, it's moot. I still maintain you can technically use a smartphone and do cloud computing if you wanted to, with a few exceptions. (And plenty of people do this, via a VPN. But I know not everyone is ready for that yet.)
Who should I ask? Lol, Google? Because, you know, Google says it's the same WebKit engine running both of them. If you have information that proves them to be liars, I'm sure lots of people (myself included) would be very interested in seeing it.
UGLI baby
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Too much multi quoting did not read.
Sign up for a contract, spend like $200 and get the nicest phone you can.
Every 2 yrs, renew your contract, get the nicest phone you can ($200) and sell your phone online for about $200. People will pay that much for a nice phone online because they don't want to go through a store and have to sign a contract.
/rocket science
Sign up for a contract, spend like $200 and get the nicest phone you can.
Every 2 yrs, renew your contract, get the nicest phone you can ($200) and sell your phone online for about $200. People will pay that much for a nice phone online because they don't want to go through a store and have to sign a contract.
/rocket science
Hotdog
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Yep. I tried saying that already but no one would listen. I always get what I paid for my phone when I sell it. And then use the money on my next upgrade.