The Debates

[franklin]

Only agenda I have is avoiding ******** like the part I bolded. So it works.

Avoid this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX_1B0w7Hzc&feature=g-all-xit

 

[Stoked]

Hahahahah Franklin*. My comp knows your post was not worth reading so it blocked it. IN YOUR FACE!

 

[Stoked]

Neither Obama nor Romney won. Bush did

https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/10/23/george-w-bush-won-this-debate.html

 

[The Thriller]

I notice that Romney is ducking questions regarding his lil gem with John King a year ago... Why doesn't he campaign on getting rid of FEMA now? Typical Romney... Do and say (and don't do and refuse to say) anything to become elected.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/oct/30/context-romneys-comments-fema/

King: What else, Gov. Romney? You've been a chief executive of a state. I was just in Joplin, Mo. (where a massive tornado hit). I've been in Mississippi and Louisiana and Tennessee and other communities dealing with whether it's the tornadoes, the flooding, and worse. FEMA is about to run out of money, and there are some people who say do it on a case-by-case basis and some people who say, you know, maybe we're learning a lesson here that the states should take on more of this role. How do you deal with something like that?

Romney: Absolutely. Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that's the right direction. And if you can go even further and send it back to the private sector, that's even better. Instead of thinking in the federal budget, what we should cut -- we should ask ourselves the opposite question. What should we keep? We should take all of what we're doing at the federal level and say, what are the things we're doing that we don't have to do? And those things we've got to stop doing, because we're borrowing $1.6 trillion more this year than we're taking in. We cannot...

King: Including disaster relief, though?

Romney: We cannot -- we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids. It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we'll all be dead and gone before it's paid off. It makes no sense at all.

 

[The Thriller]

Thoughts?

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-conservative-vote-a-symposium/

Why? Here it is: Mitt Romney’s national ambitions represent little more than a nihilistic pursuit of power for power’s sake. No one knows for sure how he would govern because he very likely doesn’t, either. He has been on both sides of nearly every issue of substance not merely throughout his career, but sometimes during this campaign. Yes, all politicians trim, hedge, occasionally even change their minds. With Romney it is a characterological defect. His utter lack of intellectual honesty — indeed of any recognizable intellectual core whatsoever — is not something that should be rewarded even in a political system as shallow and dysfunctional as ours.

 

[trigg3r]

I notice that Romney is ducking questions regarding his lil gem with John King a year ago... Why doesn't he campaign on getting rid of FEMA now? Typical Romney... Do and say (and don't do and refuse to say) anything to become elected.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/oct/30/context-romneys-comments-fema/

And why doesn't the President stop dodging questions on Libya and tell the American People the truth? See how this gotcha kind of thing works? But seriously, he should have held a press conference long ago instead of telling us this line of BS about them still investigating.

 

[Nate505]

I see. So it's only a real democracy if the people vote the way you want them to. Got it.

Maybe they should start disenfranchising millions of voters with unnecessary laws so they can elect people that you approve of.

I don't agree with sharia law either. But if the people vote for it, who am I to tell them how to live?

If Sharia law, something I'm not extremely familiar with, denies civil liberties to people then it is a problem, regardless if the people there want it or not. The whole idea of civil liberties is to protect the rights of the minority from the oppression of the majority.

I have a suspicion that it does violate civil liberties, but only because the Middle East and South/Southeast Asia has a piss poor track record of protecting civil liberties in general.

 

[NUMBERICA]

"Democratic" Theocracy (Fascist state) =~ (Secular [or not]) Dictatorship

 

[t.work]

LOL @ Romney supporters. Sorry guys, but he's the absolute epitome of failure. I don't know how this guy has so many supporters.. wait, yes I do! America is ignorant as hell!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzRV2na0VdU&feature=share

 

[trigg3r]

LOL @ Romney supporters. Sorry guys, but he's the absolute epitome of failure. I don't know how this guy has so many supporters.. wait, yes I do! America is ignorant as hell!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzRV2na0VdU&feature=share

You lost any credibility you had on the matter when you posted a video of a proud socialist who is left of Lenin on the issues. Seriously, if you want to score some points with anyone on the opposition, then please post a video of someone who is fair.

 

[sirkickyass]

If Sharia law, something I'm not extremely familiar with, denies civil liberties to people then it is a problem, regardless if the people there want it or not. The whole idea of civil liberties is to protect the rights of the minority from the oppression of the majority.

I have a suspicion that it does violate civil liberties, but only because the Middle East and South/Southeast Asia has a piss poor track record of protecting civil liberties in general.

Unfortunately it's not that simple. Conceptions of human rights are subject to cultural norms. Western countries may privilege individual rights where other cultures privilege group rights for example. There's some real definitional problems before you can even tackle how to protect them.

That's not to say I'm pro Sharia law, but merely to say that intervention on human rights grounds is a thorny subject.

 

[Stoked]

Unfortunately it's not that simple. Conceptions of human rights are subject to cultural norms. Western countries may privilege individual rights where other cultures privilege group rights for example. There's some real definitional problems before you can even tackle how to protect them.

That's not to say I'm pro Sharia law, but merely to say that intervention on human rights grounds is a thorny subject.

That would involve us in Cuba, North Korea, China, Most os the middle east, Africa and large parts of Asia. Are we really going to go into all those places? I hope not.

 

[sirkickyass]

That would involve us in Cuba, North Korea, China, Most os the middle east, Africa and large parts of Asia. Are we really going to go into all those places? I hope not.

I'm not for that. Reread the post.

Also, how you feeling about the wager? Seems like a good time to post this:

 

[Stoked]

I'm not for that. Reread the post.

Also, how you feeling about the wager? Seems like a good time to post this:

I'm feelign fine and even if I wasn't I made the bet and I will honor it.

I say Romney takes FL, CO, N.C. and VA. at least. That gives him 257 and Obama 281. Over 20 and you win but I think Romney will squeak out one of OH, WI, NH or IA. even one of those states means I win the bet.

As for my comment that you just quoted, I was backing you up more than anything. Pointing out what it would really mean if we did what was being suggested by Nate.

 

[SaltyDawg]

If Sharia law, something I'm not extremely familiar with, denies civil liberties to people then it is a problem, regardless if the people there want it or not. The whole idea of civil liberties is to protect the rights of the minority from the oppression of the majority.

I have a suspicion that it does violate civil liberties, but only because the Middle East and South/Southeast Asia has a piss poor track record of protecting civil liberties in general.

I agree that we have to protect civil libraries, even if a majority vote for it.

However, we're not talking about the USA here. What happens in Egypt isn't really any of our business.

And I'm not even sure we're talking about actual sharia law. As far as I know, we're just talking about Egypt electing a president who says he supports sharia law.

That is fine with me. The people of Egypt can elect whoever they want. It's still better than not having a say at all.

And their politicians can say they support whatever domestic policies they want. It's not really any of my business.

If he actually implements sharia law, then it is more of a concern. But to my knowledge that hasn't happened.

 

[Stoked]

I agree that we have to protect civil libraries, even if a majority vote for it.

However, we're not talking about the USA here. What happens in Egypt isn't really any of our business.

And I'm not even sure we're talking about actual sharia law. As far as I know, we're just talking about Egypt electing a president who says he supports sharia law.

That is fine with me. The people of Egypt can elect whoever they want. It's still better than not having a say at all.

And their politicians can say they support whatever domestic policies they want. It's not really any of my business.

If he actually implements sharia law, then it is more of a concern. But to my knowledge that hasn't happened.

One of the main problems I have is how inconsistent we are. We do not care about civil liberties. We care about stability and having an in with countries that have a strategic importance to us.

If we truly cared about civil liberties then we would have placed a bigger importance on the atrocities in Africa.

 

[The Thriller]

I agree that we have to protect civil libraries, even if a majority vote for it.

However, we're not talking about the USA here. What happens in Egypt isn't really any of our business.

And I'm not even sure we're talking about actual sharia law. As far as I know, we're just talking about Egypt electing a president who says he supports sharia law.

That is fine with me. The people of Egypt can elect whoever they want. It's still better than not having a say at all.

And their politicians can say they support whatever domestic policies they want. It's not really any of my business.

If he actually implements sharia law, then it is more of a concern. But to my knowledge that hasn't happened.

Haven't we learned from Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan yet that nation building doesn't work? We can't stuff American ideals and Democracy down peoples' throats.

Also, when we talk about nation building and civil liberties, why are we always talking about other nations? Has anyone visited the south? Anyone visited Detroit? Those areas are probably just as bad as any of these other countries and they're in our own county!

 

[SaltyDawg]

One of the main problems I have is how inconsistent we are. We do not care about civil liberties. We care about stability and having an in with countries that have a strategic importance to us.

If we truly cared about civil liberties then we would have placed a bigger importance on the atrocities in Africa.

Agreed 100%.

Haven't we learned from Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan yet that nation building doesn't work? We can't stuff American ideals and Democracy down peoples' throats.

Also, when we talk about nation building and civil liberties, why are we always talking about other nations? Has anyone visited the south? Anyone visited Detroit? Those areas are probably just as bad as any of these other countries and they're in our own county!

Also agreed 100%.

 

[The Thriller]

Romney's still silent over cutting FEMA. Gee, I wonder why...

Another flip flop for the world's biggest waffle.

 

[franklin]

I notice that Romney is ducking questions regarding his lil gem with John King a year ago... Why doesn't he campaign on getting rid of FEMA now? Typical Romney... Do and say (and don't do and refuse to say) anything to become elected.

LOL @ Romney supporters. Sorry guys, but he's the absolute epitome of failure. I don't know how this guy has so many supporters.. wait, yes I do! America is ignorant as hell!

I don't know if you two have noticed or not, but a lot of people are dealing with a lot of pain over this storm. Can't we leave politics out of it for once in respect for them? Now is not the time to sling mud; it's time for Obama to do his job and get thanked for it & Romney to step aside and collect food to send.

If Sharia law, something I'm not extremely familiar with, denies civil liberties to people then it is a problem, regardless if the people there want it or not. The whole idea of civil liberties is to protect the rights of the minority from the oppression of the majority.

I have a suspicion that it does violate civil liberties, but only because the Middle East and South/Southeast Asia has a piss poor track record of protecting civil liberties in general.

I read an article recently on Al Qaeda occupying check points in Libya and forcing women out of vehicles they were driving. Not the best example but it is illustrative of how petty the radical end of this gets when it comes to women. In the more extreme end, a lady in Afghanistan was recently arrested along with a Jon for beheading her daughter-in-law for not sleeping with this guy while her son (the victim's husband) was out at work.

Haven't we learned from Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan yet that nation building doesn't work? We can't stuff American ideals and Democracy down peoples' throats.

Also, when we talk about nation building and civil liberties, why are we always talking about other nations? Has anyone visited the south? Anyone visited Detroit? Those areas are probably just as bad as any of these other countries and they're in our own county!

Detroit isn't building nuclear missiles. Yes, nation building sucks but what would you have us do about the nuclear threat? Or are you one of those types who think Obama, Bush, Clinton, and every member of related congressional committees is lying to us?

What is your solution?