Corbin's History as Fifth Fiddle and How it's Affecting his Coaching.

[BYE]

Pretty good work at Jazzfanatical:
https://jazzfanatical.wordpress.com/2013/01/22/what-is-my-motivation-the-tyrone-corbin-edition/

Some highlights:

As a coach who was a former journeyman player, you have to wonder how Corbin’s experiences as a player are influencing his coaching decisions today.

On Nov. 15 last year, Matt Harpring was a guest on 1280. During that segment, the host of the show related the following:

PK talked to Ty Corbin, and Ty was talking about how during his career, it bugged him that every time he went to camp, it seemed like every year there was always some new hotshot, who hadn’t proven anything, who was in front of him in the pecking order. And now, Ty plays veterans over young guys. I don’t think that’s an accident. That’s his story, that’s who he is.

Are Corbin’s experiences as a player influencing his coaching decisions, and are they influencing his coaching decisions to the detriment of the team? If so, does he see it?

This was Harpring’s response to Corbin’s comments on losing playing time to “new hotshots who hadn’t proven anything”:

As you get older, you gotta let things go, ’cause otherwise you will stay in the past and run through mud the rest of your life. So in order to get better, you gotta kind of learn from the past and move on. And it’s one thing to let it drive you and motivate you, but it’s another thing to keep revisiting it and let [it get] you back down.

Ty seems to be improving a bit, but I've always wondered how his baggage in the league has affected his coaching. Pretty interesting to see his life's work as a player in light of his coaching.

 

[Biggs]

Interesting stuff. Repped.

 

[akirac73]

Agreed...very interesting stuff.

Former NBA "Journeyman-type" players that became great head coaches?...Phil Jackson and Pat Riley. As head coaches, both didn't have a problem playing the young "hot-shot" on their respective teams...I guess that's why they have fistfuls of championship rings and the closest Corbin will ever get to one is if he shakes their hand.

 

[George]

Why has Hayward gotten time?? Contradicts this entire post (Ms. Moni usually does a great job).

That is what perplexes me with people who believe in this argument. Hayward starting doing well in the latter half of the 1st season, and he has essentially gotten >24 mpg ever since. He's essentially just as young as these other guys.

Maybe we aren't playing Burks because he tries to do too much, Kanter because his IQ isn't up to speed yet, and Favors because of injury/offensive versatility (needs a facilitator to excel at this point in his career).

 

[pickledXgrandma]

Someone edit Ty Corbins head onto Dave Chapelles "blind racist"

 

[ONE LOVE]

Why has Hayward gotten time?? Contradicts this entire post (Ms. Moni usually does a great job).

That is what perplexes me with people who believe in this argument. Hayward starting doing well in the latter half of the 1st season, and he has essentially gotten >24 mpg ever since. He's essentially just as young as these other guys.

Maybe we aren't playing Burks because he tries to do too much, Kanter because his IQ isn't up to speed yet, and Favors because of injury/offensive versatility (needs a facilitator to excel at this point in his career).

We just lack talent at the wing and he has shown that he can hit that 3pt in practice and has that "I care" attitude.

That attitude goes a long way in a family run business.

 

[fishonjazz]

Why has Hayward gotten time?? Contradicts this entire post (Ms. Moni usually does a great job).

That is what perplexes me with people who believe in this argument. Hayward starting doing well in the latter half of the 1st season, and he has essentially gotten >24 mpg ever since. He's essentially just as young as these other guys.

Maybe we aren't playing Burks because he tries to do too much, Kanter because his IQ isn't up to speed yet, and Favors because of injury/offensive versatility (needs a facilitator to excel at this point in his career).

Ya hayward has gotten time, but he is still coming off the bench and getting less minutes than foye and marvin alot of nights, so i think this even applies to hayward who should be getting 35 minutes per game.

 

[NUMBERICA]

If there is anything to this at all, Corbin needs his *** canned yesterday.

 

[BYE]

Why has Hayward gotten time?? Contradicts this entire post (Ms. Moni usually does a great job).

That is what perplexes me with people who believe in this argument. Hayward starting doing well in the latter half of the 1st season, and he has essentially gotten >24 mpg ever since. He's essentially just as young as these other guys.

Maybe we aren't playing Burks because he tries to do too much, Kanter because his IQ isn't up to speed yet, and Favors because of injury/offensive versatility (needs a facilitator to excel at this point in his career).

Slippery Slope fallacy with Hayward, whose minutes have gone down by nearly 15% and who now is coming off the bench. All this despite the fact that he is a close second in points/36. Basically all of our young players are at the same or under last years minutes. And the argument that they are not perfect is contradictory and circular. Ultimately, I don't want to assert I know what Corbin is thinking. His comments and his history make one wonder. However, to assert that Ty has no qualms about playing young players seems outlandish at best. He plays Hayward a heaping 26 minutes a game (highest PER among guards, 3rd best simple rating among all players, only player who gets significant minutes with a positive +/- on the season, one of our most dynamic scorers/players), and so any argument that claims Corbin might be afraid to play young players is negated? Ty plays Hayward mainly because he has no other options. His drop in playing time is indicative of this.

 

[franklin]

Pretty good work at Jazzfanatical:
https://jazzfanatical.wordpress.com/2013/01/22/what-is-my-motivation-the-tyrone-corbin-edition/

Some highlights:




Ty seems to be improving a bit, but I've always wondered how his baggage in the league has affected his coaching. Pretty interesting to see his life's work as a player in light of his coaching.

Shouldn't you be blogginz at mattcorbinz4thyearlol.com?

 

[fishonjazz]

Slippery Slope fallacy with Hayward, whose minutes have gone down by nearly 15% and who now is coming off the bench. All this despite the fact that he is a close second in points/36. Basically all of our young players are at the same or under last years minutes. And the argument that they are not perfect is contradictory and circular. Ultimately, I don't want to assert I know what Corbin is thinking. His comments and his history make one wonder. However, to assert that Ty has no qualms about playing young players seems outlandish at best. He plays Hayward a heaping 26 minutes a game (highest PER among guards, 3rd best simple rating among all players, only player who gets significant minutes with a positive +/- on the season, one of our most dynamic scorers/players), and so any argument that claims Corbin might be afraid to play young players is negated? Ty plays Hayward mainly because he has no other options. His drop in playing time is indicative of this.

repped

 

[George]

Slippery Slope fallacy with Hayward, whose minutes have gone down by nearly 15% and who now is coming off the bench. All this despite the fact that he is a close second in points/36. Basically all of our young players are at the same or under last years minutes. And the argument that they are not perfect is contradictory and circular. Ultimately, I don't want to assert I know what Corbin is thinking. His comments and his history make one wonder. However, to assert that Ty has no qualms about playing young players seems outlandish at best. He plays Hayward a heaping 26 minutes a game (highest PER among guards, 3rd best simple rating among all players, only player who gets significant minutes with a positive +/- on the season, one of our most dynamic scorers/players), and so any argument that claims Corbin might be afraid to play young players is negated? Ty plays Hayward mainly because he has no other options. His drop in playing time is indicative of this.

Here's a question for you Mr. JJAS: How has Hayward's play been since he's come off the bench??

What you fail to understand is that Hayward has been getting more playing time than nearly every wing, and 0.3 minutes less than Foye (who's #1) despite coming off of the bench. The "should Hayward come off the bench?" experiment has clearly been a success, and I simply cannot fathom why anyone is against it at this point in time.

 

[BYE]

Here's a question for you Mr. JJAS: How has Hayward's play been since he's come off the bench??

What you fail to understand is that Hayward has been getting more playing time than nearly every wing, and 0.3 minutes less than Foye (who's #1) despite coming off of the bench. The "should Hayward come off the bench?" experiment has clearly been a success, and I simply cannot fathom why anyone is against it at this point in time.

Thanks for correcting my failure, Alt. Your Red Herring argument tries to dazzle me with Hayward's minutes with respect to the other players but remains rather laconic with respect to his overall minute decline. I am happy with Hayward off the bench right now, but to the original point, there is not a single young player as a starter.

 

[George]

Thanks for correcting my failure, Alt. Your Red Herring argument tries to dazzle me with Hayward's minutes with respect to the other players but remains rather laconic with respect to his overall minute decline. I am happy with Hayward off the bench right now, but to the original point, there is not a single young player as a starter.

Does it really matter though? Gordon has been finishing games 9/10 times. Marvin gets to 'start', and we all see how meaningful it is (hint: it isn't)

-George

 

[BYE]

Shouldn't you be blogginz at mattcorbinz4thyearlol.com?

Weben Ra em Achet!

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm pretty sure most coaches in the NBA who were pro's had similar NBA experience. A lot of coaches prefer veterans to younger players, it's nothing out of the ordinary.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Agreed...very interesting stuff.

Former NBA "Journeyman-type" players that became great head coaches?...Phil Jackson and Pat Riley. As head coaches, both didn't have a problem playing the young "hot-shot" on their respective teams...I guess that's why they have fistfuls of championship rings and the closest Corbin will ever get to one is if he shakes their hand.

Phil Jackson played young hot shoots? Really? The Lakers rarely got and developed young players from the ground up. It took Bynum 5 years to get to 30 mpg. Jackson didn't start coaching until Kobe's 4th year, so he was already a pretty established player.

 

[BYE]

Does it really matter though? Gordon has been finishing games 9/10 times. Marvin gets to 'start', and we all see how meaningful it is (hint: it isn't)

-George

I love how you're maneuvering through Jazzfanz seamlessly with your new sig, which happens to have UGLI and PKM in the quote. You guys have become fast friends. It's almost like you've been here for years. By the way, I'm still waiting for any scrap of evidence that Corbin is progressively giving the youth more time on the court. I don't know why he would or wouldn't, that is, I can't read his mind, but as far as actual real time is concerned, he hasn't.

Big Momma is waiting:

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I love how you're maneuvering through Jazzfanz seamlessly with your new sig, which happens to have UGLI and PKM in the quote. You guys have become fast friends. It's almost like you've been here for years. By the way, I'm still waiting for any scrap of evidence that Corbin is progressively giving the youth more time on the court. I don't know why he would or wouldn't, that is, I can't read his mind, but as far as actual real time is concerned, he hasn't.

Big Momma is waiting:

He is doing what he thinks will win games. I'm pretty sure that all he cares about because wins = job security. The Jazz team as a whole has pretty heavy minute distribution. Our leader in minutes only gets 33 (Al). His minutes are down from years past on the Jazz because the Jazz have an incredible amount of depth.

 

[Brown Notes]

This is a perfect article for the anti-Ty crowd.

See, Ty hates talented players. He hates them because back in the day he was demoted and traded to make room for players more talented than himself. Only now, after years and years of assistant coaching has his revenge finally been within his grasp: to fool a franchise into acquiring an unusually large pool of very young talent in order to persecute and belittle them. Ah, who can imagine the sadistic delight Ty hides behind that tiny mustache while he maintains the hideous illusions of chemistry, team goals and structure?

One can only shudder to contemplate.