Affordable Care?

[Stoked]

Patriot Act anyone?

I agree with you. Doesn't make the way the ACA was passed any better. He did it first! Is a poor excuse.

 

[Stoked]

My understanding is the the polls of the package as a whole is becoming less popular, as if the provision to require the purchase of insurance, but that just about every other provision that affects daily lives has not dropped, or has risen. It's almost like people are reacting to the name more than the actual policies.

Yes specific points of the ACA have very positive, increasingly so over time, poll numbers.

 

[candrew]

I agree with you. Doesn't make the way the ACA was passed any better. He did it first! Is a poor excuse.

Sorry I was being facetious. There is/was plenty of information regarding the ACA since its earliest incarnations.

This site has been up for 3 years: https://www.dol.gov/ebsa/healthreform/

Any ignorance was either self imposed or caused by mis-information from the people against it (e.g. death panels)

 

[Stoked]

Sorry I was being facetious. There is/was plenty of information regarding the ACA since its earliest incarnations.

This site has been up for 3 years: https://www.dol.gov/ebsa/healthreform/

Any ignorance was either self imposed or caused by mis-information from the people against it (e.g. death panels)

I am talking about the lawmakers that passed, openingly admiting, that they had not read the bill. Voting on a bill at all when you do not know what is in it is idiotic at best. Absolutely pathetic.

 

[SaltyDawg]

I am talking about the lawmakers that passed, openingly admiting, that they had not read the bill. Voting on a bill at all when you do not know what is in it is idiotic at best. Absolutely pathetic.

Did that really happen or was that just part of the republican disinformation campaign?

 

[Stoked]

Did that really happen or was that just part of the republican disinformation campaign?

There are several members of congress, both sides, that admitted to not reading the bill. Nancy Pelosi herself said that the bill needed to be passed to know what is in it.

So that complaint of mine is not at Dems or Repubs but at their (general term) incompetency and failure to know what they are even voting on.

 

[SaltyDawg]

There are several members of congress, both sides, that admitted to not reading the bill. Nancy Pelosi herself said that the bill needed to be passed to know what is in it.

So that complaint of mine is not at Dems or Repubs but at their (general term) incompetency and failure to know what they are even voting on.

If anyone voted on it without knowing what it was, that is inexcusable.

That's not what Pelosi meant though. She was saying that after the bill was passed, and everyone saw its effects, they'd be surprised everyone made such a big fuss to try to stop it. She wasn't saying that nobody understood anything about it. She was saying it's a good thing, and the republican disinformation campaign would be defeated with time.

 

[candrew]

There are several members of congress, both sides, that admitted to not reading the bill. Nancy Pelosi herself said that the bill needed to be passed to know what is in it.

I'm not inclined to defend Pelosi - but I think it's quite clear when you read the full text of the quote that she wasn't implying that she didn't read the bill.

We have to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it away from the fog of the controversy,"

LOL - call me a nitpicker; but I'm always skeptical of sound bytes when they cut the author off in the middle of the frickin sentence.

Ironically, she was addressing the "fog of controversy" surrounding the bill and her comment was used to just add more misinformation to the issue.

 

[Stoked]

If anyone voted on it without knowing what it was, that is inexcusable.

That's not what Pelosi meant though. She was saying that after the bill was passed, and everyone saw its effects, they'd be surprised everyone made such a big fuss to try to stop it. She wasn't saying that nobody understood anything about it. She was saying it's a good thing, and the republican disinformation campaign would be defeated with time.

Her point is still idiotic. Pass it to know? Hell no. Tell me what's in it now.

 

[Stoked]

I'm not inclined to defend Pelosi - but I think it's quite clear when you read the full text of the quote that she wasn't implying that she didn't read the bill.



LOL - call me a nitpicker; but I'm always skeptical of sound bytes when they cut the author off in the middle of the frickin sentence.

Ironically, she was addressing the "fog of controversy" surrounding the bill and her comment was used to just add more misinformation to the issue.

Sorry did not mean to imply that was Pelosi going on record as not reading the bill. Just pointing out that it is idiotic what she said. When I say members on record saying they didn't read it. They say the didn't read it.

 

[PearlWatson]

LOL - it's always funny how people who proclaim to be capitalists and defend it the most understand so little about it and how it works.

Forcible government plunder of the citizenry on the pretext of affordable care ain't capitalism. It is what I refer to as Libtardism. The Libtards need government force behind their destructive schemes.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Her point is still idiotic. Pass it to know? Hell no. Tell me what's in it now.

Again, she wasn't saying we had to pass it to know what's in it. She was saying that all the crap the republicans were saying about it would be proven wrong with time. The republican disinformation campaign took her quote out of context, as candrew pointed out.