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SaltyDawg said:
Again, she wasn't saying we had to pass it to know what's in it. She was saying that all the crap the republicans were saying about it would be proven wrong with time. The republican disinformation campaign took her quote out of context, as candrew pointed out.
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You have to be a dedicated jackass to claim the troll that is StuPelosity didn't say exactly what she said, and adding the "fog of controversy" made no difference to her level of stupidity, it just revealed her desperation to silence the opposition.

StuPelosity's real meaning.We have to pass the bill before the Republicans tell you what is in it. Once it is passed, your objections to it's content, "the fog of controversy" no longer matter. Neener neener!
 
Beantown said:
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He said very little about healthcare. He talked more about how dangerous political correctness was.

His idea about creating healthcare accounts for all citizens at birth is the best way to do it if government is involved and their true motive is to provide health care for everyone, but it ain't the government's role to be involved in healthcare so it is moot.
 
PearlWatson said:
You have to be a dedicated jackass to claim the troll that is StuPelosity didn't say exactly what she said, and adding the "fog of controversy" made no difference to her level of stupidity, it just revealed her desperation to silence the opposition.

StuPelosity's real meaning.We have to pass the bill before the Republicans tell you what is in it. Once it is passed, your objections to it's content, "the fog of controversy" no longer matter. Neener neener!
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So are you saying that she had no idea what was in the bill, and it's just dumb luck that as more time passes and people learn more about it, they realize the republicans were full of crap and they actually like the things the bill does?
 
SaltyDawg said:
So are you saying that she had no idea what was in the bill, and it's just dumb luck that as more time passes and people learn more about it, they realize the republicans were full of crap and they actually like the things the bill does?
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Destructive liberal policies are always most popular right before they are fully implemented and the consequences are realized.
 
PearlWatson said:
Destructive liberal policies are always most popular right before they are fully implemented and the consequences are realized.
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Examples please. Medicare? Social Security? They're pretty popular with most people, and they were implemented many years ago.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Examples please. Medicare? Social Security? They're pretty popular with most people, and they were implemented many years ago.
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Being popular is one thing, especially in a society with decades of indoctrination. . . .

Being free to direct the use of your own wages, and make choices that affect your own health, is. . . . apparently. . . . sometthing else.

Drones and massive monitoring of your movements, opinions, and sentiments are one thing. . . .

Giving government-sanctioned bureaucracies the power to pull the plug on any care essential to life is hardly "freedom" or respect for people's "right to life" or "pursuit of happiness".

The ACA was "on the table" for review, alterations, input for decades before it was passed in the dead of night while politicians argued it was "revenue neutral" and therefore not a tax, and would eventually make healthcare more affordable and available because it would make government overseers powerful enough to make all the decisions. . . . .

The major players in healthcare all had their seat at the table, and made sure they would prosper. Those who won't prosper or get the care are us.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Examples please. Medicare? Social Security? They're pretty popular with most people, and they were implemented many years ago.
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And both are shinning examples of why government needs to stay as out of peoples lives as possible.
 
babe said:
Being popular is one thing, especially in a society with decades of indoctrination. . . .

Being free to direct the use of your own wages, and make choices that affect your own health, is. . . . apparently. . . . sometthing else.

Drones and massive monitoring of your movements, opinions, and sentiments are one thing. . . .

Giving government-sanctioned bureaucracies the power to pull the plug on any care essential to life is hardly "freedom" or respect for people's "right to life" or "pursuit of happiness".

The ACA was "on the table" for review, alterations, input for decades before it was passed in the dead of night while politicians argued it was "revenue neutral" and therefore not a tax, and would eventually make healthcare more affordable and available because it would make government overseers powerful enough to make all the decisions. . . . .

The major players in healthcare all had their seat at the table, and made sure they would prosper. Those who won't prosper or get the care are us.
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How does the ACA give "government-sanctioned bureaucracies the power to pull the plug on any care essential to life?" It may say insurance companies do or don't have to cover something, but before the ACA insurance companies were free to cover or not cover whatever they wanted.

So you'd rather have a group of fat cats who come right out and say their only interest is making as much money as possible, having the full authority to drop coverage on anyone for any reason?

I'd much rather have the law state regulate that.

And if something isn't required to be covered under the ACA, you can always get better insurance. It's not like the ACA forbids anything from being covered.
 
SaltyDawg said:
How does the ACA give "government-sanctioned bureaucracies the power to pull the plug on any care essential to life?" It may say insurance companies do or don't have to cover something, but before the ACA insurance companies were free to cover or not cover whatever they wanted.

So you'd rather have a group of fat cats who come right out and say their only interest is making as much money as possible, having the full authority to drop coverage on anyone for any reason?

I'd much rather have the law state regulate that.

And if something isn't required to be covered under the ACA, you can always get better insurance. It's not like the ACA forbids anything from being covered.
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And if something isn't covered under your insurance, you can always get better insurance. It's not like they were forbiden from covering anything.

Weak arguement that works both ways.
 
Stoked said:
And both are shinning examples of why government needs to stay as out of peoples lives as possible.
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Right, because this country would have been so much better off if everyone would have lost their social security a few years ago when the market crashed and everyone's 401k took a beating.

Most people are very happy they have a guarantee like social security. And there is not even a question if most old timers would rather have Medicare or try to deal with private insurance companies on the open market.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Right, because this country would have been so much better off if everyone would have lost their social security a few years ago when the market crashed and everyone's 401k took a beating.

Most people are very happy they have a guarantee like social security. And there is not even a question if most old timers would rather have Medicare or try to deal with private insurance companies on the open market.
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Because they are so well run and do not take up vast portions of our spending. Because they are not money pits that are ineffectively run.

As for this guarantee of Social Security? Soon they will not be able to make all their payments. What then?
 
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