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Denver just dumped okc

The Thriller said:
In okc even though Denver was playing the back end of a b2b.

We both traded our franchise players about the same time. Yet, they're looking awesome now. Our franchises are headed in opposite directions. Why?

What does Denver have that we don't?

Think Denver could actually make the finals?
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...and they won despite one of there clowns shooting 4-17!
 
The Thriller said:
In okc even though Denver was playing the back end of a b2b.

We both traded our franchise players about the same time. Yet, they're looking awesome now. Our franchises are headed in opposite directions. Why?

What does Denver have that we don't?

Think Denver could actually make the finals?
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...assuming they won't lose a home game, they'd only have to win one road game...and I think they demonstrated they can do that!
 
The Thriller said:
I honestly don't see OKC being the clear favorite without Harden anymore. To me, they're a 2 manned team. No one else can create or score on their own.
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....plus there two superstars are flawed! Westbrook forces way too many shots.....and Durant turns the ball over at an alarming rate!
 
Denver has surprised me. Koufos has shocked me.

They have a well built team. I wasn't a big fan of Iggy, but he is fitting in nicely. The manimal is a better version of our Carroll.
I wanted him in the draft, but people said he was redundant next to Sap. Didn't agree, and now look what he is doing for Denver.

Denver always chokes in the playoffs so let's see if they can overcome that this year. Would be fun to have a wildcard out there.
We are so locked into thinking it will be OKC/Miami that any change would be more more interesting.
 
Am I the only person who thinks that okc is worse than last year? They still are a top WC team no doubt. But I don't think they're a lock. Harden for Kmart was a big loss IMO. Besides, I can't stand watching Westbrook play the same position that St. John did. He's like mo Williams on steroids. Chuck chuck chuck away
 
Can someone tell and persuade me that Denver's roster is "substantially" better than that of Jazz?
I, as of now, incline to believe the opposite.
Their success is due to "FAR SUPERIOR coaching" and great unit coherence.
 
vslice02 said:
Denver obviously got players in their deal who could step in and play from Day 1 (as opposed to the Jazz who got players who "apparently" still aren't ready to play on Day 750+) but the big thing is they have an identity along with a coach who understands how to accentuate strengths and minimize weaknesses. Denver knows they play in thin air, they know they have tremendous run & jump athletes and their mindset since drafting Carmelo has been to run, run, run. They're not trying to turn Faried into a back-to-the-basket player. They haven't turned Ty Lawson into walk-the-ball up PG. They know JaVale McGee will make alot of dumb mistakes and they're not playing him 30mpg. They don't utilize a poor 3pt-shooter like Andre Miller as a floor-spacer. If Koufos is effective he'll get his minutes, if he's not he'll disappear for good midway through the 1st&3rd quarters. Ty Lawson is playing extremely well but there's not a top-12 player on their roster. They have a guy in Lawson who can be the engine for what they want to to and then they try to come at you with waves of players who can all play at their tempo.
Denver has a style of ball they want to play, and they have a coach and front office who are effective in conveying that identity onto the basketball court.
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Very nice analysis. I might express that last part a little differently. I would like to think that they decided that with what they had and what they could get, what style of play would work. Then they got the pieces that would fit that scheme and the players they already had. And they have a coach who can handle that and make it work.

The Jazz on the other hand seem stuck in groundhog day, Stock-Malone-Sloan, low post basketball, all-talk-no-backup-defense. They have run the same offense for a century and just keep trying to do the same ole same ole and that is all that matters. They got Boozer and played him despite horrendous defense. They got Big Al and played him despite horrendouser defense. Why? So they could keep the tradition of Stockton to Malone.

That said, the new coach MUST be someone outside of the Jazz organization. Someone who can change it all up, who can see how best to utilize the talent they have and not go on fitting square pegs into round holes.
 
Congrats. I see your thread idea made onto the 1280 show this morning.

Why? Coaching and Managment. They only have 2 draft picks on their team from 2008 on. But Lawson and Faried were playing from the beginning (not burried on the bench). They traded away the bloated contract of Nene (they also signed him rather than letting him walk), for a young player that everyone had given up on and turned him into something. They got Kofus for nothing and coached him into a serviceable rotation player.
 
You've heard the phrase "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts"? Yeah, that doesn't apply to the Jazz.

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Jazz braintrust working on offseason plan
 
The Thriller said:
In okc even though Denver was playing the back end of a b2b.

We both traded our franchise players about the same time. Yet, they're looking awesome now. Our franchises are headed in opposite directions. Why?

What does Denver have that we don't?

Think Denver could actually make the finals?
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Denver got 2 proven players and draft picks, they have a PG, they traded nothing for Iggy. The have a better team than the Jazz. Thats why they are better.
 
Hartsock said:
Denver got 2 proven players and draft picks, they have a PG, they traded nothing for Iggy. The have a better team than the Jazz. Thats why they are better.
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I think that largely any suggestion that the Nuggets have better talent than the Jazz is just because they LOOK better as they have a coach that knows how to use them. Big Al is proven, Sap is proven, Foye is proven, Mo is proven. Its just that George Karl knows how to get them to function as an NBA team.
 
zman1527 said:
I think that largely any suggestion that the Nuggets have better talent than the Jazz is just because they LOOK better as they have a coach that knows how to use them. Big Al is proven, Sap is proven, Foye is proven, Mo is proven. Its just that George Karl knows how to get them to function as an NBA team.
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They have a much better overall lineup .... Gallinari, Chandler, Lawson, Iggy, Faried, Mcgee can be ok sometimes, Miller, Brewer .... Thats a pretty good lineup .... they have a better team.
 
The Thriller said:
Am I the only person who thinks that okc is worse than last year?
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...nope! I've got your back! They are definitely worse than last year. The lost of Harden was a big set back for them. It gives Westbrook more opportunity to force shots and gives Durant more opportunities to handle the ball.....and Durant is a turnover machine!
 
Since the Melo trade, Denver has been actively aggressive on the trade front and haven't been afraid to move talent (e.g., Nene) out of fear of losing playoff positioning. They are a uniquely built team with two starting-quality PGs, their best player is their best defensive player, they got rid of there knuckleheads (who are all in NY now), and have three interchangeable center who each bring something different. With the exception of the D-Will trade, Utah has a fear of swinging for a homerun. If Denver were Utah, they would have made 2-3 more trades to take them from the 8th spot to a 4-spot.
 
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