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Favors the odd man out

b_liner1 said:
If you think Favors is so replaceable, tell me when the last time the Jazz had a player who was so good defensively? The last time I can remember was Mark Eaton, and he retired in like 94. A defensive player the caliber of Noah and Chandler is not simply replaced. Seriously. Just look at the teams they are on. The Bulls are a perennial contender (when rose is healthy) the Knicks finally look like a good team, and the Mavs only won a title when they got Chandler. The only other guy as good as them defensively is Dwight Howard, and he is not that great offensively either. If Favors turns out to be 80% of what Dwight Howard used to be, then we will be well on our way to a championship.
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The last time we had that good of a defensive player? Well...we did have this guy called Andre Kirilenko play for us a couple years back. Remember him? He was pretty decent at defense.

Oh and Favors isn't as good defensively as those guys...yet. He has the potential to be that good, but we'll see what happens.
 
Hal said:
The last time we had that good of a defensive player? Well...we did have this guy called Andre Kirilenko play for us a couple years back. Remember him? He was pretty decent at defense.

Oh and Favors isn't as good defensively as those guys...yet. He has the potential to be that good, but we'll see what happens.
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I guess I should have said defensive big. Kirilenko was dang good at defense, but a different kind of defender than Favors. Favors can shut down the paint. AK could shut down wings one on one. I think Favors is as good a defender as the guys listed above, but we have a terrible coach, and terrible team defense. Thibs in Chicago is the best D coach there is, and he even makes Boozer a better defender. If we had a coach half that good on defense, we would see Favors potential more. I blame a lot of Favors non development on the coaching and the fact that he is not getting the minutes he deserves. He should be averaging the same as Millsap and Jefferson. (I know he is now, but that is because Kanter is out)
 
The OP has to be joking/trolling - because I don't think anyone with 7k+ posts on a Jazz message board could be that ignorant about their team.
 
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If the Jazz had a point guard or if they had a scorer who could create his own offense, Favors would be the guy who crashes the offensive boards and cleans up, or takes a pass in the lane and goes straight to the hoop. He is a guy who needs to be set up, basically a 3rd or 4th option. If he gets the ball going to the rim, he draws a foul about half the time, scores about 25% of the time, and screws up somehow the other 25%.

I haven't really looked at whether he's a good post defender in single coverage or not. Are you saying he doesn't move well laterally?

My feeling is that worst-case scenario he's still an impact player. Anyone remember Brian Grant with the Portland Trailblazers during the late 90s?
 
I think the odd man out is Millsap. He can't defend length. He can't defend speed. His offensive game hasn't been going for him much this year. Faried kicked his rear last night.
 
Catchall said:
If the Jazz had a point guard or if they had a scorer who could create his own offense, Favors would be the guy who crashes the offensive boards and cleans up, or takes a pass in the lane and goes straight to the hoop. He is a guy who needs to be set up, basically a 3rd or 4th option. If he gets the ball going to the rim, he draws a foul about half the time, scores about 25% of the time, and screws up somehow the other 25%.

I haven't really looked at whether he's a good post defender in single coverage or not. Are you saying he doesn't move well laterally?

My feeling is that worst-case scenario he's still an impact player. Anyone remember Brian Grant with the Portland Trailblazers during the late 90s?
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That's a really clever comp. You're basically describing Jordan/Ibaka with a solid outside shot. I've been thinking/hoping he can become Camby someday, but Grant seems to be a better prototype.

I'm saying he gets mowed over in the post by stronger players. They go right at him and he can't do anything but put up his hands like a college player or Euro as he goes back on his heels.
 
franklin said:
That's a really clever comp. You're basically describing Jordan/Ibaka with a solid outside shot. I've been thinking/hoping he can become Camby someday, but Grant seems to be a better prototype.

I'm saying he gets mowed over in the post by stronger players. They go right at him and he can't do anything but put up his hands like a college player or Euro as he goes back on his heels.
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Favors is a good defender out on the floor, though. Maybe Kanter should be the primary post defender.
 
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