Zone employee says it's a done deal to keep Corbin
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So lets just have the whiners on the board use this thread from now on to contain their Coach Corbin bitching. Instead of, you know, using every ****ing thread on Jazzfanz for the same purpose. Kthnx
We need to be honest, and ask ourselves a couple of questions.
Did he really get the most out of the roster he could have?
and
Is he the man you want to do battle with in the future?
Did he really get the most out of the roster he could have?
and
Is he the man you want to do battle with in the future?
TheSilencer1313
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I'm down with Corbin, and will support him in the future.
I think he did a really good job losing Mo Williams, but then maybe rushed Mo back to the starting lineup to quickly, which seemed to disrupt team chemistry for that three week period.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
Because he has a contract and the Mllers aren't going to pay double.
Also, why hire another coach if the Jazz are seriously commited to going with the youngsters? KOC and Lindsey need to take the vet life vest away from Corbin by NOT re-signing Foye, Al, Paul, etc. I still say they'll bring back Mo. Jazz are "all-in" when it comes to sacrificing next season. Go "lean and mean" and keep those dollars available for the trade deadline. Counting Marvin's expiring, teh Jazz could have $30M available to "help" other teams avoid the punitive luxury tax. Hold those teams up for ransom...i.e. Jazz take a starter AND a 1st-rounder off their hands for a TPE. Utah should be in the driver's seat and able to set up a bidding war for their cap space.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
AS for Ty, I say let him finish his contract, with next year really being a "tank" season. Jazz aren't going to lose on purpose, but they'll only win 30 games going with their youth. Then you bring in an experienced coach in 2015.
underKANTER
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I have no trust left in this organization.
I see them resigning Mo and Al.
I see them resigning Mo and Al.
mellow
Well-Known Member
If it makes you feel better I see Kanter as the most likely to be traded this off-season.
As for Ty--I think Lindsey will set some real goals for Ty and if he hits them, then he stays. If he misses.....
b_line
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Cavs and pistons were horrible. Not even a good comparison at all. Try maybe the Dallas mavericks. They are a similar construction. And similar record to the jazz. Should they fire Rick Carlisle?
b_line
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Is vdn out of la?
jumpin bean
Well-Known Member
Its funny that some think this org has a masterplan.They havent shown any sign of a brain starting with the hiring of Corbin.Whatever Ty does with this team will always be less than what a good coach could do with this team.Jazz brass will keep Corbin for life no matter what and that is why the Jazz will float around 8th seed ville for eternity and what is wrong with the guys running this show.
NAOS
Well-Known Member
So, if I'm a broker paid to make deals but can't see them through, then I get no blame?
The jazz FO is all-in on contract absorbing & pick grabbing strategy. If they don't come through, then it is 100% their fault. They put their eggs in that basket.
underKANTER
Well-Known Member
Carlisle is even a worse comparison. He won the Championship and did enough with an injured Dirk. His roster was quite shabby, too.
Carlisle has a much bigger bonus and should not be mentioned in the same sentence with Ty, imo.
NAOS
Well-Known Member
That Mavs roster was aged and decrepit and without their superstar for much of they year... and Cuban himself has already apologized for the whole thing. Bad comparison.
That is my worry too, Big Al and Tyrone Corbin stay around for another period of mediocrity.
b_line
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Is it bad though? He had a bunch of free agents, and missed the playoffs when everyone expected him to make them. By the logic of the board, Ty and Rick Carlisle should be let go. If they are going to say that Ty should be let go because of what happened in Detroit and Cleveland, then they are not consistent. Ty was like 20 games better than those teams. If you are going to compare him to someone, compare him to someone who failed the same way.
If it was the organizations fault in Dallas, why isn't the organization to blame here as well? They are the ones that trotted out all these surly vets that they expected Ty to keep appeased all season long. I dislike the job Ty did as much as the next guy, but lets not compare him with a coach who won 20 less games than him, and say he needs to get fired because of that. The Pistons supposedly have a better frontline of the future than we have, and the Cavs have the heir apparent in Kyrie Irving.
I think as Jazz fans we need to demand more out of the organization. If we are not competing for a championship or on the verge of a championship we should be upset.
I for the life of me can't figure out why Tinsley was always the first off the bench? Why the consistent reluctance to let the younger players just play? Why hasn't the Jazz looked at maybe the reason we didn't make the playoffs is because Corbin didn't manage the personnel correctly?
The Jazz had the talent. Any other coach and we would be looking at the 4, 5, or 6th seed in the west. As it stood, we had poor rotations, and even worse defense. We played either over the hill veterans (Tinsley, Watson), inconsistent shooters (Marvin and Mo Williams), let players who proved they could play rot on the bench (Favors, Burks, Hayward) and made absolutely no change at the trade deadline when both Millsap and Jefferson's values were at the peak (which would have opened up room for the younger guys to take over).
I just don't know how you can say that Corbin had a successful year. We didn't make the playoffs and we didn't even get a shot at being swept by the Thunder and that is worse.
I for the life of me can't figure out why Tinsley was always the first off the bench? Why the consistent reluctance to let the younger players just play? Why hasn't the Jazz looked at maybe the reason we didn't make the playoffs is because Corbin didn't manage the personnel correctly?
The Jazz had the talent. Any other coach and we would be looking at the 4, 5, or 6th seed in the west. As it stood, we had poor rotations, and even worse defense. We played either over the hill veterans (Tinsley, Watson), inconsistent shooters (Marvin and Mo Williams), let players who proved they could play rot on the bench (Favors, Burks, Hayward) and made absolutely no change at the trade deadline when both Millsap and Jefferson's values were at the peak (which would have opened up room for the younger guys to take over).
I just don't know how you can say that Corbin had a successful year. We didn't make the playoffs and we didn't even get a shot at being swept by the Thunder and that is worse.
Ellipse
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I reject the entire premise of your argument, because I don't give a damn what other organizations are doing. I'm concerned with the future of the Jazz, and Corbin's coaching casts a dark shadow over it. Decisions have to be made and we still have no clear idea if Kanter and Favors are the big men we need for a championship team. Hayward looks to be a keeper, but what of Burks? Favors and Hayward are going into the last year of their contracts and Kanter and Burks are already halfway through theirs, and we still don't know what we have --- and that is because Corbin has failed to give them the court time they needed to develop.
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We know we need a point guard, but we really don't know if what we have at the other four positions is good enough to get us that championship we all want. Instead of developing our youth, the FO seems content to develop the coach.
gregbroncs
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Actually if the Jazz are better next year without signing a star. Then Ty is going to look even more dumb for not playing these guys the last 2 seasons instead of the crappy vets he has been playing.
