Utah Jazz 2012/13 season. Civil War edition (part 1: Ty Corbin)

[Deleted member 365]

I love how people say Ty managed the season well with so man players in their contract year.

If you mean sacrificing the development of the youth in favor of players who are most likely out the door anyways. Yeah, Ty did a great job.

And again all we have to look at is the results, and come to your own conclusion.

Amen and amen

 

[Revolution 9]

Again I failed to present the things in the manner that I wanted to. My point is that both sides have legitimate questions. I'm not defending Ty and his decisions. I'm asking for ppl to look at what happened without preconceptions. Would I have played the young guys more? Absolutely. Do I think Ty should have sat down Millsap and Foye more than what he did? I think so. Were there other questionable calls? Yes.

But WHY can't I assume that Ty did a good job keeping the team together? Why? There's more evidence that points to that happening than the other way around. Can't I say that he could have done a better job and still believe that other things played into his decisions? On the flip side can't the ones that speak for the Jazz see that Corbin did manage the team well but failed to see a lot of other issues in a timely faction?

Can't both sides figure out and meet in the middle before this thing blows up? And by blow up I mean years of mediocrity in Utah or even years of relevance in Las Vegas or Seattle.

Why would I assume that what Locke says is propaganda? Any of you listen to him talk? Sometimes I think he may put himself in trouble with the criticism that sometimes he vents. Why would I assume Dennis Lindsey is lying to me and all other fans? Did he do ANYTHING that warrants that suspicion? Why not accept his word and criticize other things that can and should be criticized. There's nothing more counterproductive to an argument that seeks change than to bitch and moan about everything and anything.

In the end we don't know what happened behind closed doors. All we have to judge is what we saw, and the results of the season.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Fact si ty missed the playoffs.
last year he would have missed the playofs if certain players would not have gotten injured.
because of injury he was forced to play certain players that led us to the playoffs.

in my book ty is 2.5-0 in playoffs

 

[zbone]

It's not hard to keep the locker room in check if you give potential whiners all they want at the expense of non-vocal disciplined young guys who would suffer more damage from expressing their displeasure. My concern is they won't forget it.

 

[Litany]

It's not hard to keep the locker room in check if you give potential whiners all they want at the expense of non-vocal disciplined young guys who would suffer more damage from expressing their displeasure. My concern is they won't forget it.

Plus mother freaking 1!!!!

 

[gregbroncs]

God the Original post in this thread is pathetic. A complete homer call on Ty while not addressing any of his issues. The vary basis of the post was completely made irrelevant by the homer content of that post. Your fact and Myth are both opinions in the defense of TY.
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Ty did not manage this roster. It did not implode because the coach did not have the balls to stand up to the vocal players when he should have. Having the locker room implode would not have been the worst thing that could have happened this season. Finishing out of the playoffs while not playing the guys who earned it was. And that is where we ended up.

 

[gregbroncs]

Again I failed to present the things in the manner that I wanted to. My point is that both sides have legitimate questions. I'm not defending Ty and his decisions. I'm asking for ppl to look at what happened without preconceptions. Would I have played the young guys more? Absolutely. Do I think Ty should have sat down Millsap and Foye more than what he did? I think so. Were there other questionable calls? Yes.

But WHY can't I assume that Ty did a good job keeping the team together? Why? There's more evidence that points to that happening than the other way around. Can't I say that he could have done a better job and still believe that other things played into his decisions? On the flip side can't the ones that speak for the Jazz see that Corbin did manage the team well but failed to see a lot of other issues in a timely faction?

Can't both sides figure out and meet in the middle before this thing blows up? And by blow up I mean years of mediocrity in Utah or even years of relevance in Las Vegas or Seattle.

Why would I assume that what Locke says is propaganda? Any of you listen to him talk? Sometimes I think he may put himself in trouble with the criticism that sometimes he vents. Why would I assume Dennis Lindsey is lying to me and all other fans? Did he do ANYTHING that warrants that suspicion? Why not accept his word and criticize other things that can and should be criticized. There's nothing more counterproductive to an argument that seeks change than to bitch and moan about everything and anything.

Please quote anything that Locke has ever said that would show criticism to the franchise and the coach? When I listen all I hear is him sucking the **** of the coach and franchise and using obscure stats he made up to back up dubious decisions.

 

[orangello]

Hate to completely blow up your theory about Corbin but Marc Jackson is making Corbin look completely incompetent.

I rest my case.

 

[Ellipse]

Again I failed to present the things in the manner that I wanted to. My point is that both sides have legitimate questions. I'm not defending Ty and his decisions. I'm asking for ppl to look at what happened without preconceptions. Would I have played the young guys more? Absolutely. Do I think Ty should have sat down Millsap and Foye more than what he did? I think so. Were there other questionable calls? Yes.

But WHY can't I assume that Ty did a good job keeping the team together? Why? There's more evidence that points to that happening than the other way around. Can't I say that he could have done a better job and still believe that other things played into his decisions? On the flip side can't the ones that speak for the Jazz see that Corbin did manage the team well but failed to see a lot of other issues in a timely faction?

Can't both sides figure out and meet in the middle before this thing blows up? And by blow up I mean years of mediocrity in Utah or even years of relevance in Las Vegas or Seattle.

Why would I assume that what Locke says is propaganda? Any of you listen to him talk? Sometimes I think he may put himself in trouble with the criticism that sometimes he vents. Why would I assume Dennis Lindsey is lying to me and all other fans? Did he do ANYTHING that warrants that suspicion? Why not accept his word and criticize other things that can and should be criticized. There's nothing more counterproductive to an argument that seeks change than to bitch and moan about everything and anything.

Why does this even matter, given the team we had? Did keeping Watson "happy" lead to more wins? Would sitting Foye down when his shot wasn't falling have led to a locker room bomb? How would five more minutes of playing time for Kanter and Favors destroyed team chemistry? Were we afraid of losing players to free agency if we pissed them off? I'm having trouble understanding why Corbin's only perceived accomplishment deserves any praise at all. Frankly, I could argue that Corbin's misplaced emphasis on keeping a friendly locker room is the biggest reason why our season was a failure.

 

[Lion's Roar]

What evidence? You provided none, just stated a belief that you THINK he kept the team together. Do you have evidence that Ty did that?

By evidence I was referring to circumstantial ones of course. We can never know for sure. But if the team is behind him and players are behind him. I see that as an indication that he did something well. Of course we can all assume the team is lying to the fans for some reason that escapes me completely. But why would they? They could simply fire the coach if they believed he was that bad. No PR hit on that one. You may say that's my belief. But saying that the opposite happened is also a belief. And a belief that at this point has nothing backing it up.

 

[Lion's Roar]

God the Original post in this thread is pathetic. A complete homer call on Ty while not addressing any of his issues. The vary basis of the post was completely made irrelevant by the homer content of that post. Your fact and Myth are both opinions in the defense of TY.
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Ty did not manage this roster. It did not implode because the coach did not have the balls to stand up to the vocal players when he should have. Having the locker room implode would not have been the worst thing that could have happened this season. Finishing out of the playoffs while not playing the guys who earned it was. And that is where we ended up.

MYTH: Ty managed to preserve the locker room but to do so he might have cost the Young players valuable playing time. Not only that but you can't shake the idea that it reveals a higher commitment to his relationships with the players than with the franchise itself.

Yeah that is a stellar endorsement of Ty isn't it. (hit sarcasm button)

Also after watching Hayward blossom at the end of the 2011/12 season it's kind of hard to envision why he wasn't allowed to continue that trend since the start of this season.

Again a supporting statement towards Ty. (sarcasm button +2)

Without a doubt this are very valid questions that warrant a response that goes beyond fans don't know what they are saying cause they don't have insider knowledge or because they never experienced the NBA as a player or coach. Those are cop outs designed purely to prevent discussion.

And yet another huge compliment to Ty. (sarcasm button +3)


If you see the above statements as supportive of Ty I question your motives, your thought process or your reading skills.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

It's cool, we all know Tyrone Corbin coaches like he came straight off of brain surgery, jumped into a suit and walked right onto the basketball court at gametime... but to alls well and ends well. Im just wanting some of the drugs the Jazz are mixing in the front offices. Sounds good.