IRS Targeting Right Wing Groups

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you are being obtuse just to piss me off.
They are a political group, not a social welfare group.
Even stoked can see this.

If they genuinely believe that lower taxes is better for the general welfare, and most of their money go to advertising that, they are a social welfare group. That's the law.

I didn't say they should be charged with a crime.

I was responding to JimLes, not you, in that post.

I also say that this grey area of the law should be cleaned up,

No matter how narrowly the line is drawn, someone will find the grey area.

The IRS are the only good guys here.

No, they are not.

 

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For the pickier readers I guess...

If I told you that 80% of the groups reviewed were conservative groups, would that be fair or unfair?

If I tell you that 80% of the groups reviewed were conservative groups, and 80% of the groups that applied were conservative groups, would that be fair or unfair?

 

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If I told you that 80% of the groups reviewed were conservative groups, would that be fair or unfair?

If I tell you that 80% of the groups reviewed were conservative groups, and 80% of the groups that applied were conservative groups, would that be fair or unfair?

Again, all you did was distinguish what I was asking for in a wordier way.

 

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so what....?
you are making up statistics, all hypothetical, but even if that were true, so what?
I have already addressed this issue, you ignored what I wrote.
No evidence has been given that groups are being targeted because they are conservative.
More likely they are being targeted because they are political.
Show me evidence that the other groups applying are just as political in nature and name.
Maybe 80% of the political groups applying for tax exempt status happen to be conservative.

 

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1B
so what....?
you are making up statistics, all hypothetical, but even if that were true, so what?
I have already addressed this issue, you ignored what I wrote.
No evidence has been given that groups are being targeted because they are conservative.
They are being targeted politicaly.
Show me evidence that the other groups applying are just as political in nature and name.
Maybe 80% of the political groups applying for tax exempt status happen to be conservative.

I helped you out a little.
Completely irrelevant.
That is exactly what he was just wondering and what I was asking for stats on. Talk about not reading...

 

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No, they are not.

Yes they are. The other parties I named all have a selfish agenda, which I already explained, but go ahead and ignore that.

 

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stoked, don't change the wording of my words and pretend I wrote something I didn't write.
This is an example of cheating.
You are a cheater, so I have no surprise that you support cheating.

 

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stoked, don't change the wording of my words and pretend I wrote something I didn't write.
This is an example of cheating.
You are a cheater, so I have no surprise that you support cheating.
You are a waste of time.

Hi northeast! Where have you been?

 

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I am done. This is not worth the time. I hope the right wing gets their act together and gives us an alternative choice to the Dems that isn't so terrible.

 

[Stoked]

I am done. This is not worth the time. I hope the right wing gets their act together and gives us an alternative choice to the Dems that isn't so terrible.

You and me both. Though it will be politics as usual I fear.

 

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If they genuinely believe that lower taxes is better for the general welfare, and most of their money go to advertising that, they are a social welfare group. That's the law.

That's your opinion of the law. I have seen suggestions that there might be more to it. Even if you are 100% right, it is possible that under this criteria, the Tea Party application deserved closer scrutiny than other groups, because the Tea Party purpose has political overlap. Are you sure that their lower tax ads don't align with political agendas? Are you sure that they are not really persuing a political agenda and using the tax issue as a cover? Are you sure that they spend under 50% on nonpolitical ads? If they spend 45% on political ads, and another group spends 0% on political ads, doesn't it make sense to spend time taking a closer look at the app with the 45% political expenditure?

 

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That's your opinion of the law.

No, his statement would either be law or it wouldn't. If a group spends most of their money on advertising and other non politcal events then they would qualify. Now, wether that should be the law or not is another matter.

 

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His interpretation may have been incomplete.

 

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His interpretation may have been incomplete.

Perhaps but that is not how I see his reply.

To me his reply hinges around the clause "...most of their money go to advertising that...". If most of their money goes toward advertising that then they either qualify or they don't.

 

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Perhaps but that is not how I see his reply.

To me his reply hinges around the clause "...most of their money go to advertising that...". If most of their money goes toward advertising that then they either qualify or they don't.

not if his interpretation of the law is incomplete.
he only lists one criteria.
there may be more than one criteria.

 

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why should political groups applications not receive more scrutiny than nonpolitical groups when the primary criteria for tax exempt status is that the group not be a political group?

Was ACORN political? Please give your criteria for easily telling the two apart.

 

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Yes they are. The other parties I named all have a selfish agenda, which I already explained, but go ahead and ignore that.

Having "a selfish agenda" is not the same as being a political group.

 

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... it is possible that under this criteria, the Tea Party application deserved closer scrutiny than other groups, because the Tea Party purpose has political overlap.

Every group in this country has a purpose with a possible political overlap.

Are you sure that their lower tax ads don't align with political agendas?

If the membership polocies of the Boy Scouts align with a poltical agenda, I'm not sure what doesn't.

Are you sure that they are not really persuing a political agenda and using the tax issue as a cover?

I'm saying it's wrong to assume they are more likely to try to violate the law before they even get started.

 

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Having "a selfish agenda" is not the same as being a political group.

I did not say it was.

 

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Every group in this country has a purpose with a possible political overlap.



If the membership polocies of the Boy Scouts align with a poltical agenda, I'm not sure what doesn't.



I'm saying it's wrong to assume they are more likely to try to violate the law before they even get started.

No, not every group has a political overlap, and there are different degrees of overlap. Also, You did not answer the questions that I asked.