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U.S. safety board proposes tougher drunk-driving threshold

Is 0.05% BAC too low?

  • Yes, you can't even tell you've had a drink at 0.05

    Votes: 2 40.0%

  • No, they say it will save 500-800 lives a year

    Votes: 2 40.0%

  • There's no such thing as too low a limit on alcohol

    Votes: 1 20.0%

  • DUI shouldn't be against the law anyway

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    5
Check this out Canadians.

Might want to steer clear of the U.S. else you might have your freedom stripped from you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8gSCyFe4Zg

If you're coming to the U.S. for a little shopping better write down what stores you intend to shop at, only telling them the mall you're going to just doesn't cut it and might lead to your arrest.
 
To travel around the U.S. you must have your papers and you must justify your route. This border patrol checkpoint is not on the border.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khEFMrgcqYU
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zQQCSwZwcA

Notice that in the end he didn't have to go to secondary and he didn't have to show his papers, even though the police insisted that he did.

We NEED law abiding citizens to not comply with this garbage in order to end it.
 
I'm all for cooperating with cops if they conduct themselves in a peaceful law abiding fashion. These checkpoints are BAD BAD BAD. They will detain you no matter what and they very well may beat you if you don't cooperate with their non-obligatory orders.
 
Are law enforcement and the people one the same team? Not from what I can tell. The police are our oppressors.
 
Gameface said:
https://www.cnn.com/2013/05/14/us/ntsb-blood-alcohol/index.html



BAC level reduced to 0.05. To me it seems 0.08 is low and 0.1 is about right. I know everyone is different, but I highly highly doubt most accidents that are directly related to alcohol consumption involve drivers whose BAC is as low as 0.05. I just don't think there's enough impairment to affect their driving more than if they were talking to their father-in-law in the back seat. It is essentially a zero tolerance, not a drop type effort. I think one strong drink can put most people over 0.05 for at least a short amount of time. Almost anyone who went out to eat and had two beers with dinner would be over the limit, or close enough to it that responsible people wouldn't take the chance. So alcohol sales could be hugely affected.


Is a 0.05% BAC driving limit too low?
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It can be. It can also be too high. I simply don't believe that a BAC test is the one thing we should be going off of to decide whether someone is in shape to drive or not. There's just too many other things that can play into it, like how sleepy you are, the weather outside, how much energy you actually have, what your diet was that day and when you last ate.. there's just too much going on in the body to say "At this point, you have to stop".
 
ElRoach0 said:
It can be. It can also be too high. I simply don't believe that a BAC test is the one thing we should be going off of to decide whether someone is in shape to drive or not. There's just too many other things that can play into it, like how sleepy you are, the weather outside, how much energy you actually have, what your diet was that day and when you last ate.. there's just too much going on in the body to say "At this point, you have to stop".
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So because it's so difficult, we will just say any alcohol in the bloodstream is too much, just in case.... right?
 
JazzSpazz said:
So because it's so difficult, we will just say any alcohol in the bloodstream is too much, just in case.... right?
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Oh absolutely not. I'm very against drunk driving, but there's a point. A beer is fine for just about anyone.

But if we're gonna make new laws, perhaps we should find something to incorporate into law that's more reliable.
 
ElRoach0 said:
Oh absolutely not. I'm very against drunk driving, but there's a point. A beer is fine for just about anyone.

But if we're gonna make new laws, perhaps we should find something to incorporate into law that's more reliable.
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Do you have any ideas? What is more reliable? Seriously curious.
 
ElRoach0 said:
It can be. It can also be too high. I simply don't believe that a BAC test is the one thing we should be going off of to decide whether someone is in shape to drive or not. There's just too many other things that can play into it, like how sleepy you are, the weather outside, how much energy you actually have, what your diet was that day and when you last ate.. there's just too much going on in the body to say "At this point, you have to stop".
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I think it's okay to set a limit. I also think it's okay to set a pretty conservative limit. I think 0.08 is that conservative limit. I think 0.05 is below the impairment threshold for pretty much anyone who's otherwise fit to drive.

If there was a rock solid sobriety test I'd prefer that as an indicator, but there's not.
 
Late to the discussion but wanted to opine.

I'm not a drinker (shocker I know) but I have lived and worked with plenty who have. I've done my share of designated driving, and probably riden too many times with drivers who wouldn't pass either threashold. I don't see a public safety benifit of 0.05, but I suppose it would be a boondoggle for the police and local attorneys so it will probably happen.

What I don't get is why society is cracking down on drunkdriving while laxing the rules on marijuana? I don't get it. No breathalizer test for Marijuana.
 
JazzSpazz said:
Do you have any ideas? What is more reliable? Seriously curious.
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You give me far too much credit. I work in Healthcare IT, not Healthcare.

That being said, there's no reason BAC shouldn't be a part of what decides who is/n't suitable for driving. What we could do is create a gauge.

For example; the glasgow coma scale.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasgow_Coma_Scale

The Glasgow Coma Scale or GCS is a neurological scale that aims to give a reliable, objective way of recording the conscious state of a person for initial as well as subsequent assessment. A patient is assessed against the criteria of the scale, and the resulting points give a patient score between 3 (indicating deep unconsciousness) and either 14 (original scale) or 15 (the more widely used modified or revised scale).
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No one thing out of all of these items measured(Eye, verbal, and motor responses) is enough to trigger a "Severe" rating, which will require more constant monitoring and safety requirements. We could adapt the scale concept here by taking:

BAC
Pupil dilation response time
How far into the alphabet you get before failing (can be trouble when English isn't the primary language)
Angle your eyes start to fail the HGN test https://www.fieldsobrietytests.org/horizontalgazenystagmus.html
How many steps you can go before falling on the walk and turn test https://www.fieldsobrietytests.org/walkandturntest.html
How long they can make it in the one leg stand test https://www.fieldsobrietytests.net/onelegstandfieldsobrietytest.html

Then assign a number value to the point the subject gets, and add it up, and make the case from that point.
 
mellow said:
What I don't get is why society is cracking down on drunkdriving while laxing the rules on marijuana? I don't get it. No breathalizer test for Marijuana.
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Laxing? Last I looked it gets you a fine or jail time in most states just for possessing it. What exactly is your definition of "lax"?
 
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