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babe said:
I generally don't like "incentives" like this as a matter of principle. "Special deals" are less desirable than general opportunities. I want less government, and less government power to make special deals. Where "deals" like this have to be made to get the economy going we should really look at the whole picture and realize that taxes are indeed a problem and should be reduced for everyone. Eliminate the nonproductive government activities that are making it hard for business to be profitable in competition with all the places on earth where taxes are lower.
At least realize that lower taxes can often bring in more total revenue, well. . . . when the fact is that business activity is being negatively impacted by the present tax level. . . .

But it is still a valid point that your grandfather did a good thing, working with the situation that he found and finding a way to go forward with the business.
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It boggles my mind the percentage of people that have been brainwashed into believing there really isn't that much government waste in spending.
 
PKM said:
It boggles my mind the percentage of people that have been brainwashed into believing there really isn't that much government waste in spending.
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That right there is the thing. If government was serious about reducing waste and being responsible with the money they already have they would have more than enough. They would not need to raise taxes.
 
colton said:
I agree. Even the lowest tax brackets should pay some income tax. (By the way, the way you phrased that, "50% of people pay no tax", is not accurate--those people still pay sales and other taxes. They just don't pay income tax.)
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I'll phrase that better next time. Not trying to parrot Fox News talking points, I promise.
 
PKM said:
It boggles my mind the percentage of people that have been brainwashed into believing there really isn't that much government waste in spending.
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I always visualize it as the money passing through a series of filters. Every set of hands the money passes through is another set of filters that reduce the amount of money that flows out the other end. Much of what government does is take our money, cycle it through the system a couple times and then spit it back out much less than it was before.
 
Gameface said:
I always visualize it as the money passing through a series of filters. Every set of hands the money passes through is another set of filters that reduce the amount of money that flows out the other end. Much of what government does is take our money, cycle it through the system a couple times and then spit it back out much less than it was before.
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Yes. In earlier threads on this topic I've also given real life, first hand, accounts of rampant and blatant misuse of taxpayer monies due, mostly, to faulty budgetary protocols.. too much to type for now.. but I think it would be a fun thread for us to compile ways the government is wasting money (specifically) and start a list.

I'm all for taxes, obviously... but I HATE waste. If I don't stand for it in my own household and business, why should I stand for it (and keep throwing money at the problem) in governing the country.
 
colton said:
Not quite sure what you are referring to here.
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Stokes was incorrectly stating that I wanted poor people to no longer be able to abuse the system through receiving income from churches and not reporting it as income. I am saying that if you got your wishes, than poor people would have to pay taxes on all income even though their income is so small that all of it is needed for things like rent and health care.
 
MoreFeasts said:
Sounds like an area ripe for tax fraud to me. So you are saying that people are getting rent , utilities , and food paid for, and probably not reporting it. It sure sounds like income to me. They might also be getting tax credits . I would think that this income should be reported for proper calculation of tax credits. Sounds like great potential for double dipping. If they are not filing a tax return, but not taking this income into account for this decision, maybe they really should be filing a tax return. Just because there is no 1099, does not mean that it should not be reported.

It is possible that the church should be doing a 1099 for payments over a certain amount, not sure on the rules for this.
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MoreFeasts said:
Stokes was incorrectly stating that I wanted poor people to no longer be able to abuse the system through receiving income from churches and not reporting it as income. I am saying that if you got your wishes, than poor people would have to pay taxes on all income even though their income is so small that all of it is needed for things like rent and health care.
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You claimed they (see poor people receiving assistance) should file taxes on it.
 
PKM said:
Yes. In earlier threads on this topic I've also given real life, first hand, accounts of rampant and blatant misuse of taxpayer monies due, mostly, to faulty budgetary protocols.. too much to type for now.. but I think it would be a fun thread for us to compile ways the government is wasting money (specifically) and start a list.

I'm all for taxes, obviously... but I HATE waste. If I don't stand for it in my own household and business, why should I stand for it (and keep throwing money at the problem) in governing the country.
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Absolutely. The thing that drives me crazy is when government does their budget, they have the whole "use it or lose it" mentality. For example, if an agency is $100,000 under budget, instead of sending the money back, they will outfit the whole agency with new computers (replacing the ones they bought 2 years ago), hire another secretary and waste that $100,000. It's crazy.
 
Stoked said:
You claimed they (see poor people receiving assistance) should file taxes on it.
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I suggested that they should report it as income. Colton is the one who wants them to pay taxes on their income if they are poor, not me. IF they are poor, then they won't owe taxes on the income. You are assuming that all people who receive help from the church are poor. This may not be the case. From your description. it actually sounds like an area with great potential for people who are not poor to avoid paying taxes, by washing their income through a nonprofit.
 
MoreFeasts said:
I suggested that they should report it as income. Colton is the one who wants them to pay taxes on their income if they are poor, not me. IF they are poor, then they won't owe taxes on the income. You are assuming that all people who receive help from the church are poor. This may not be the case.
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You report it by filing taxes on it. Again, I am not talking about what Colton did or did not say. I am talking about what you have said. Stop confusing the two.
 
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