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Okur Update

Agreed.
But I don't hate the fact Okur is getting 11 mil.
Okur was here carrying this team before Deron WIlliams was ever here, that's why he has the contract he does.
The year Booz, AK and everybody else was constantly hurt, Okur was putting up the numbers.
Our team was crap, but Memo gave 110 percent every night. Remember the 2 San Antonio game winners?

When it comes to the clutch, he's one of the best players we've ever brought to the franchise.
Even Korver sucked with the Jazz most of the time.
But Okur has thrived in our offense, and made defending the post a nightmare.

Can you imagine the Stockton to Malone era with a Center like Okur?
There would be no help for Jordan and the Bulls ;-)

Silencer but Deadly remarks. The thing about Okur that separated him from Boozer is he cares about the Jazz, he always played hurt sometimes when he should not have, and he loves being a member of the Jazz. Stockton and Malone era with Okur? Off the bench for 20-22 minutes yes, I think Sloan would have had at least one champoinship ring. As a starter and a guy logging 35 minutes not so sure about.
 
So because the ogur spreads the floor and hits a few three-balls we're supposed to believe that he's not the oaf that he truly is? Sorry, don't buy it. What we gain with those two admittedly positive aspects that he brings do not outweigh his atrocious defense and slow-as-a-snail demeanor on the floor. Yes, I'd rather see Fes develop his game by taking Ogur's actual game-time minutes rather than garbage time. Last time I checked, we needed desperate height and toughness in the middle, not an occasional three from a slow-as-molasses ogur. The "he spreads the floor" justification for this guy's suckiness is getting old. And the dude hasn't exactly been "clutch" in quite a few years now. Guy's a decent sub for us, nothing more.
 
I look forward to the game Memo makes his return. He brings an added dimension to this team with his ability to hit the 3 and spread the floor. Obviously, his minutes are going to drop, but I think he is going to work well with Jefferson. I get the impression that he is well-liked by his teammates...so some of his "value" is going to be adding to the overall chemistry of the team as they grow together this year. He has my respect for trying to play through the pain in his achillies during the playoffs last year, before he blew it out for good. Get well soon Memo!
 
Since 04/05 (in the regular season...Okur's even worse in the playoffs), the Jazz have outscored their opponents by 1.289 points per 48 minutes with Okur on the court. They've outscored their opponents by 2.610 per 48 minutes with Okur off the court. To simplify for the idiots out there, the Jazz outscore their opponents by TWICE as much with Okur off the court than they do with him on the court.

"duh"?

can you provide us with the same numbers for the rest of the team so we know who exactly should play and who shouldn't?
 
can you provide us with the same numbers for the rest of the team so we know who exactly should play and who shouldn't?
Uh, no.

I'm not saying that +/- is a perfect statistic (raw +/- is certainly flawed), but it's useful as one indicator.

FWIW, I don't hate Okur (he is, in a way, a warrior, and seems like a standup guy), and think he has some value to the Jazz. I was not a fan of his extension, however, and think it's unlikely he would have gotten the same deal this past summer (I realize injuries are difficult to predict). Further, Millsap has shown that he has more of a positive effect on a basketball court (especially when examining just how awful Okur's O has been in the playoffs for the Jazz).

My posts were meant mostly to silence the name-calling Okur fanboys. You don't have to be an idiot to think Okur doesn't deserve 30 minutes per game.
 
You guys do remember that Okur is terrible, right?

Indeed.

It's a blessing he's off the court. Maybe the coaching staff will realize how much better we are with him off the floor.

Role player... okay. Starter or starter's minutes... we gon lose.

You must not be a Jazz fan, or you would remember how terribly Okur has put the ball in the basket over the years.

Lol. Love when people challenge other people's fandom as a result of differing opinions.

You must not have a good grasp of the game of basketball, or you'd be able to see that Okur does more harm than good to an NBA team. No one questions that the guy can shoot the ball. Unfortunately there is more to basketball than that. Especially in terms of what a Frontcourt player is asked to do on both ends of the floor.
 
Uh, no.

I'm not saying that +/- is a perfect statistic (raw +/- is certainly flawed), but it's useful as one indicator.

FWIW, I don't hate Okur (he is, in a way, a warrior, and seems like a standup guy), and think he has some value to the Jazz. I was not a fan of his extension, however, and think it's unlikely he would have gotten the same deal this past summer (I realize injuries are difficult to predict). Further, Millsap has shown that he has more of a positive effect on a basketball court (especially when examining just how awful Okur's O has been in the playoffs for the Jazz).

My posts were meant mostly to silence the name-calling Okur fanboys. You don't have to be an idiot to think Okur doesn't deserve 30 minutes per game.

Plus One.

CAM.
 
Indeed.

It's a blessing he's off the court. Maybe the coaching staff will realize how much better we are with him off the floor.

Role player... okay. Starter or starter's minutes... we gon lose.



Lol. Love when people challenge other people's fandom as a result of differing opinions.

You must not have a good grasp of the game of basketball, or you'd be able to see that Okur does more harm than good to an NBA team. No one questions that the guy can shoot the ball. Unfortunately there is more to basketball than that. Especially in terms of what a Frontcourt player is asked to do on both ends of the floor.

This thread is really weird. The topic is "Okur update", not "How is Memo as a player". And some trolls, without any knonwledge about his overall career with Jazz have shown me what they're made of. I had to share a couple of my opinions.

LOL. How many NBA frontcourt players CAN PLAY BOTH SIDES OF THE FLOOR at the efficiency level you seek. If it's a blessing to have Memo, who has played numerous games through injuries and tried to help his team and OBVIOUSLY has been a top10 center in the league and has been A BIG part of this offense, off the court -even him being injuried (not fake believe me)- means a positive to you, the NBA fans should have a hard time watching Biedrins, Haywoood, Dampier, Yao (based on your theory, he is the worst help defender in the entire NBA so he should never see the court), Chandler... "WHAT A FRONTCOURT PLAYER IS ASKED TO DO?". Hey baby, wake up... Basketball is a lot more different than it was in 90s and you do not have to have good grasp of the game of basketball to realise the fact that teams are trying to get constant and reliable production from all positions. Now, tell me how many real, traditional centers who have a variety of polished post moves are in the NBA? The names I said are obviously not traditional centers. They cannot score it unless it's a dunk or layup or tip in. That's what you ask your center to do? Your basketball knowledge must be pretty low, if you sincerely believe that way. Bynum, Al Jeff, Brook Lopez, Andrew Bogut, Chris Kaman (Dwight has never been a reliable post scorer however his last games showed that his workouts with Hakeem has payed off we'll see), Yao (I might be missing on a couple). That's all. Those players are playing down low, creating their own shooting positions by using their post skills and rebound/block/assist and clog the middle up. In international basketball, not many of this prototype of players are coming.

Now, you can argue that Mehmet is not as good defender as a Chandler, Biedrins etc. however he HAS by far the deepest repertoire of any center in the league. If you watched the games in his eariler days you could've seen that he has post moves and played as PF and Center pretty well. He can play multiple positions however Boozer's inside presence affected the way Memo is utilized and he was able to adjust his game according to what is essential for the efficiency of Carlos and DEron. You should be blind not to see the effect of Memo on the Jazz offense. I do not need to explain you sound like an expert, so you probably are aware of the fact very well. Also, known as a terrible help defender (who's he helping, Carlos, 'nuff said) Memo is one of the best post defenders in entire NBA. Memo has been one of the best cruch time performers in his career with Jazz. Lots of evidences and memories (if you closely followed the Jazz from '04, you should know what I am talking about) prove it. https://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/john_schuhmann/11/05/clutch.numbersgame/index.html

He has ,deservedly, made the All-Star team. I just cannot say that "he does more harm than good". He obviously has some weaknesses but your argument makes NO SENSE basketball wise.

AS for his injury; I really hope that he takes his time and comes back strong and again becomes an important part of this new team. He earned my respect by putting excessive effort to play in final games of the season, instead of making excuses like somebodies have repeatedly done in their careers and was the best Jazzman on the foor in both GSW and PHX games. I hope his expectedly diminished minutes (hopefully Fes will live up to expectations. He's been one of good stories since the training camp started. His development is really important for the future of this franchise. Let me say one thing; if Fes had Memo's work ethic, he would already become a cornerstone of this new core) will help him succeed a certain level of consistency. I cannot wait to see a Memo-Millsap or Memo-Al Jeff duo on the court. His biggest problem and weakness, IMO, has always been inconsistency. His chronic back aches might be a reason but I do not know exactly.
 
Okur is awful. I can't believe how much people love him. He has had one really good season and he's always been terrible in the playoffs. It just goes to show that if you say "I love Utah" on your TV interviews, Jazz fans will support you no matter how much you suck. Just like with Harpring.
 
Okur is awful. I can't believe how much people love him. He has had one really good season and he's always been terrible in the playoffs. It just goes to show that if you say "I love Utah" on your TV interviews, Jazz fans will support you no matter how much you suck. Just like with Harpring.

People also talk about how he "spreads the floor." I wonder who came up with that. I have hard time believing that numerous people came to the independent conclusion that Mehmet "Glacier" Okur's flaws are balanced out by the fact he shoots 3s.
 
A 7 footer that can shoot the 3 creates all sorts of problems for other teams. Just sayin'

...a slow white 7 footer who is coming off a serious foot/ankle injury presents only a problem for the team he is playing for! Questions to be answered: Can he hit more than 20% from 3 point land? Can he get up and down the court more than twice....without calling a time out? Can he stay in front of his man?.....Can he stay in front of an Elephant?
 
I like how Memo is Mothra said Okur is OBVIOUSLY a top 10 center. Laughable. I like the guy. He seems like he'd be cool to shoot the **** with. But to say he's undoubtedly a top 10 center is a joke.
 
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