Dallas will NOT draft...

[green]

No, you can't beat the Heat without a big. In fact, just to have a fighting chance you need a big. And even then, no one has been able to beat them (other than Dallas. Who had 2 bigs. 1 of which is a HOF player).

And OKC has proven it.

If you're going to beat the Heat you need a sledgehammer down low. You aren't going to outLebron Lebron, even with Durant. Pretty sure OKC has already proven this already. Or do they need their asses handed to them again in the Finals? Btw, they were killed even with harden.

OKC needs a low post big. They don't need anymore guards. They have plenty of those already. They need bigs because Perkins is worthless and Ibaka doesn't have a low post game.

Feel free to disagree but the results from the past 3 years back up my view. Sorry. Probably because I allow the results to dictate my views. Not views dictate the results.

So, you are OKC. You made the Finals two years ago, had the #1 record in the West, but you want to blow it up and build around a big...Good luck.

If I'm OKC, I look at what made me successful (Harden, Durant, and Westbrook), what is available in the draft (you do have a similar player to Harden, and no dominant big) and be smart. Take Shabazz. Then you are still the #1 team in the West, you still have the best shot in the West to go the Finals, and once you are in the Finals, force Miami to play ball with you.

 

[green]

Unmm Indiana? They could have disposed of Miami if they could muster a single consistent bench contribution. Last I heard, I think they had a low-post presence who was whooping Miami's *** all series long

Yeah, how did that turn out for Indiana?

 

[Deleted member 848]

Yeah, how did that turn out for Indiana?

Just an awful response/argument in every way. So we should ignore the fact that Hibbert clowned, and bamboozled Miami all series long simply because his teammates (other than PG) couldn't score with any consistency.

Your argument was that low-post presences don't affect Miami.

I proved you wrong. I truly don't see any point in trying to refute this.



PS: I already addressed that the Pacers had lost, along with my reasoning for why.

 

[green]

Just an awful response/argument in every way. So we should ignore the fact that Hibbert clowned, and bamboozled Miami all series long simply because his teammates (other than PG) couldn't score with any consistency.

Your argument was that low-post presences don't affect Miami.

I proved you wrong. I truly don't see any point in trying to refute this.



PS: I already addressed that the Pacers had lost, along with my reasoning for why.

No it's not. Arguing for Indiana and OKC going after a big is no different than me arguing for OKC and staying with what they started. They both lost. They both have a HUGE hole to fill to beat Miami.

Now, if you are OKC, you can keep going down the path you started, which has been wildly successful, or blow the whole thing up, move Westbrook for a dominant big (if you can find one), and hope Durant stays happy enough to stick around. Not realistic.

What dominate big do you guys suggest OKC take? Take a flier in a weak draft on a big that probably won't be in the league in 5 years vs drafting the #1 or #2 most talented wing and let him fill Harden/Martin's role.

No brainer. In scenario one, you most likely waste your pick.

In scenario two, you let Martin go and save $14 million and don't get any worse, and probably get better.

 

[The Thriller]

So, you are OKC. You made the Finals two years ago, had the #1 record in the West, but you want to blow it up and build around a big...Good luck.

If I'm OKC, I look at what made me successful (Harden, Durant, and Westbrook), what is available in the draft (you do have a similar player to Harden, and no dominant big) and be smart. Take Shabazz. Then you are still the #1 team in the West, you still have the best shot in the West to go the Finals, and once you are in the Finals, force Miami to play ball with you.

Who said anything about blowing up OKC?

Adding a low post presence to their 2 monster guards isn't "blowing it up." But making the last (necessary) move for a championship.

Yeah, how did that turn out for Indiana?

How well do you think Indy would have fared without Hibbert? 4 games.

Arguing for Indiana and OKC going after a big is no different than me arguing for OKC and staying with what they started. They both lost. They both have a HUGE hole to fill to beat Miami.

Right, because they both lost FOR THE SAME REASON???

OKC lost because they didn't have a low post presence.
Indy lost because they didn't have a PG.

Now... If you combined the 2 teams then you'd have someone who could take out Miami.

 

[green]

Who said anything about blowing up OKC?

Adding a low post presence to their 2 monster guards isn't "blowing it up." But making the last (necessary) move for a championship.



How well do you think Indy would have fared without Hibbert? 4 games.



Right, because they both lost FOR THE SAME REASON???

OKC lost because they didn't have a low post presence.
Indy lost because they didn't have a PG.

Now... If you combined the 2 teams then you'd have someone who could take out Miami.

1 - How do you add a low post presence with no cap room? The only way is through the draft. What low post presence is better than Shabazz?

2 - Indiana and OKC are built completely different. The only way for OKC to have any sort of chance of being close to Indiana is to move Westbrook...but for who? And why? They were the best team in the West last year. If Westbrook doesn't get hurt, they probably end back up in the finals.

3 - Again, you keep saying, "just add a low post presence." HOW?

 

[The Thriller]

1 - How do you add a low post presence with no cap room? The only way is through the draft. What low post presence is better than Shabazz?

There are a number of bigs available who have the potential to provide OKC with a low post presence. I'm not going to do your homework for you. Look them up.

2 - Indiana and OKC are built completely different. The only way for OKC to have any sort of chance of being close to Indiana is to move Westbrook...but for who? And why? They were the best team in the West last year. If Westbrook doesn't get hurt, they probably end back up in the finals.

Serious question, are you even reading posts?

3 - Again, you keep saying, "just add a low post presence." HOW?

Another serious question, are you even reading posts? It seriously appears like you aren't even bothering to read what people are writing. Then, you argue with them over points which have already been addressed.

 

[Twin Towers]

I hear these trade scenarios and does anyone here have an understanding of the cap?

Knick's cannot take on Marion's contract. Over the cap. Trade won't happen.

Jazz cannot trade Jefferson. He is not under contract anymore. So sign and trade won't happen.

 

[The Thriller]

I hear these trade scenarios and does anyone here have an understanding of the cap?

Knick's cannot take on Marion's contract. Over the cap. Trade won't happen.

Jazz cannot trade Jefferson. He is not under contract anymore. So sign and trade won't happen.

But but but... I read on twitter about it and it made me so excited and happy that I didn't even bother turning on my brain!

 

[Jazz4ever]

There aren't many locks in this draft but I do think OKC taking Adams is pretty close. Do people realize how awful Perkins is? 4/6/1 with a PER of 8. This will be their only chance to acquire a quality big.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I think OKC was willing to move Harden because if they maxed him they would have spent too much of their cap on the perimeter (WB, KD, JH). I think the Thunder are set up to add a big to their rotation and this draft is a good opportunity to do so, considering where they're sitting. This is the last lotto pick they'll have for a while.

A player like Dieng, Olynyk, Adams (if he's there) and maybe even Bebe are likely to go to OKC. If a player like McCollum or Shabazz is on the board, they'll think twice, but ultimately I think they'll go big.

 

[green]

There are a number of bigs available who have the potential to provide OKC with a low post presence. I'm not going to do your homework for you. Look them up.



Serious question, are you even reading posts?



Another serious question, are you even reading posts? It seriously appears like you aren't even bothering to read what people are writing. Then, you argue with them over points which have already been addressed.

LOL. They are out there...LOL. Really? Man, why doesn't every team run out and grab all these low post players? They are out there...with the truth...

If there were so many available, affordable low post players, Al wouldn't be getting 15+ million a year. They aren't out there. That is why Hibbert got so much money. That is why DeAndre is overpaid, that is why the top two available bigs played for Utah last year (and no, unless you are Phi, LA or Houston, Dwight and Bynum aren't available).

But, yeah, all OKC needs to do is add a big. And all Utah needs to do is find an All-Star wing in a FA class with no big time talent and a draft with no big time talent. Easy-peasy.

You should email OKC and let them know. I bet they will be so relieved to know about all these big, low post presences that are out there.

LOL.

 

[The Thriller]

LOL. They are out there...LOL. Really? Man, why doesn't every team run out and grab all these low post players? They are out there...with the truth...

If there were so many available, affordable low post players, Al wouldn't be getting 15+ million a year. They aren't out there. That is why Hibbert got so much money. That is why DeAndre is overpaid, that is why the top two available bigs played for Utah last year (and no, unless you are Phi, LA or Houston, Dwight and Bynum aren't available).

But, yeah, all OKC needs to do is add a big. And all Utah needs to do is find an All-Star wing in a FA class with no big time talent and a draft with no big time talent. Easy-peasy.

You should email OKC and let them know. I bet they will be so relieved to know about all these big, low post presences that are out there.

LOL.

So now you've moved from what OKC needs (which, what you originally stated, was a replacement for Harden) to now admitting that they need a big but shouldn't even try because they're so rare? Thanks for waving the white flag. I win.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

Anyone know what Jeremy Lamb is up to? It's funny that OKC snagged Lamb and PJIII, and both seem to be MIA

It was their rookie season homeboy.

 

[green]

So now you've moved from what OKC needs (which, what you originally stated, was a replacement for Harden) to now admitting that they need a big but shouldn't even try because they're so rare? Thanks for waving the white flag. I win.

I haven't changed my opinion at all. I've shown that unless OKC is willing blow it up and trade Westbrook, your opinion is silly.