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Report: Jazz to let Jefferson Walk. Milsap & Watson got into it with Ty Corbin last season

when will management look inward???

I know that Affirmative Action is mandatory and everything but...

How many more "fights" does Ty Corbin need to get into before management finally realizes that this guy doesn't know how to coach?

No one respects him.
No one likes him.

It's pretty obvious that despite being a "players coach" he doesn't have good relations with his own players.

I get that a lot of "players coaches" are easy going guys. But I think in Ty Corbin's case, he has gone too far. The players want a strong leader, not a ***** boy cheerleader. I think some of the vets have recognized this... In fact, most of them do. I remember how often the vets just ignored Ty during timeouts.

My fear is that this has been figured out by the young players. Hopefully the young players don't realize that giving less than their best is acceptable for this coach who's just "happy to be in the league."

We desperately need a coach who will crack the whip. We need some discipline, leadership, and "tough love" to get these guys back into shape.

Ask yourselves, if John and Karl were on this team, think they'd respect Ty Corbin? Or would they walk all over him? What about Deron?

I think we all know the answers to these questions...
 
HR manager at my previous job was like Corbin. His job was to piss off the employees the company wanted to let go, with the intent of having them quit vs. the company doing layoffs. Corbin is doing a helluva job in this respect. Jazz would be in an awkward position with some fans if they had Jefferson, Millsap, Foye, Mo, etc. talking about how badly they wanted to return to the team. Now, when they sign elsewhere, Lindsey and KOC can trot out that time-worn line about how the team wanted them back, but the players tested the market and got offers the Jazz thought were too high.
 
The Thriller said:
when will management look inward???

I know that Affirmative Action is mandatory and everything but...

How many more "fights" does Ty Corbin need to get into before management finally realizes that this guy doesn't know how to coach?

No one respects him.
No one likes him.

It's pretty obvious that despite being a "players coach" he doesn't have good relations with his own players.

I get that a lot of "players coaches" are easy going guys. But I think in Ty Corbin's case, he has gone too far. The players want a strong leader, not a ***** boy cheerleader. I think some of the vets have recognized this... In fact, most of them do. I remember how often the vets just ignored Ty during timeouts.

My fear is that this has been figured out by the young players. Hopefully the young players don't realize that giving less than their best is acceptable for this coach who's just "happy to be in the league."

We desperately need a coach who will crack the whip. We need some discipline, leadership, and "tough love" to get these guys back into shape.

Ask yourselves, if John and Karl were on this team, think they'd respect Ty Corbin? Or would they walk all over him? What about Deron?

I think we all know the answers to these questions...
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In the end this will be his downfall. Players need someone that are masters of the game, and not their friends. They need to respect their coach,
not be buddies with him. Years later when he is replaced this is what will be said about why Corbin ultimately failed with us.
 
Core4 said:
HR manager at my previous job was like Corbin. His job was to piss off the employees the company wanted to let go, with the intent of having them quit vs. the company doing layoffs. Corbin is doing a helluva job in this respect. Jazz would be in an awkward position with some fans if they had Jefferson, Millsap, Foye, Mo, etc. talking about how badly they wanted to return to the team. Now, when they sign elsewhere, Lindsey and KOC can trot out that time-worn line about how the team wanted them back, but the players tested the market and got offers the Jazz thought were too high.
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To me this is just bad professionalism in my opinion. Be a responsible exec and simply tell them best of luck. We appreciate all you did but wish to go in another direction. We wish you the best of success with your next team.

All this game playing and crap gets on my nerves.
 
mellow said:
Well, maybe not fight per se......


From Alex Kennedy @AlexKennedyNBA

Shortly after the season ended, I heard that Al Jefferson was packing his bags and expecting to walk elsewhere as a free agent.....

.....I also heard that Paul Millsap and Earl Watson got into it with Ty Corbin last season. Not sure if that will affect their future in Utah.

Read more: https://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz2X9Sv2E8U​


Watson's exit interview and in season comments about Alec Burks (and the way Corbin was using him) take on more meaning in light of this. It was already clear that Watson was not coming back. I didn't think too much of it at the time when he suggested that coach or management were missusing some players on the roster. Now I wonder what else transpired.

If Burks sided with Watson in the little dispute with Corbin, then Burks will be traded. Sad.
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wow jazz have to choose between burks and corbin.
either choice is bad.
because corbin is the coach and the coach should have final say so if he gets fired for "fighting with a player" it send a message that the players are the BOSS.

but corbin sucks and should be fired. i would love millsap to stay.
he was frustrated with alfense on the offensive and defensive end. so rightfully so he should be mad at corbin.

but firing the coach even if he should be fired for "fighting" with players sends a bad message.

so i was right not to be exited/optimistic about the upcomming season
 
cowhide said:
Well anyone who watched the game could see that Burks was being used wrong. Either there was a mutiny on hand last year or guys were ok with speaking out because they knew they were gone. As far as Watson is concerned, nice knowing you Earl. I lost respect for him when he whined about not playing after he came back from his injury. Guy is only good for an alley-oop every once in a while. I would be shocked if Millsap was ready to fight because he rarely says anything except for his obvious unhappiness with being benched some times.

On the other hand, if these rumors are true than Ty might have the communication problems that others have suggested or NBA players are just divas and talk about winning/teammates unless it affects their playing time $$$$$.

I hope all three walk unless the Jazz can make a deal that improves their team or gets them draft picks.
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millsap has no problem with being benched.
he has a problem with alfense on both ends of the court.
dont create/enforce stupid rumors
 
I have little doubt that in about 6-8 months we will look upon the Ty Corbin era as a complete waste of time.

From trying to build around the Alfense at the expense of the young guys to giving Ty Corbin chance after chance after chance despite the eye test (doesn't have command of the huddle, merely claps his hands, no noticeable strategy or system, confusing rotations), despite the evidence (no progress of development, fights, lack of toughness or motivation), and despite the failings (has only made the playoffs once in 3 years).

We will look back and say, "what the hell was the jazz FO thinking?"

It's like a bad relationship. We know that this girl isn't right. Things aren't goin to work out. Instead of cutting ties and moving on, we keep painfully going back to this girl. And it gets worse and worse.

Everyone knows where this is headed but the Jazz FO (or so it appears). The sad thing is, ultimately the fans will pay the price. We want a championship. Yet, the longer Ty is here the longer we must wait before the process of championship contention will begin.

The start of this rebuilding process must begin with a new coach. Someone who can lead this team. Ty Corbin is clearly not that man.
 
And when there are no sign-and-trades, are we finally allowed to call this a lesson in what NOT to do in asset management?
 
The Thriller said:
when will management look inward???

I know that Affirmative Action is mandatory and everything but...

How many more "fights" does Ty Corbin need to get into before management finally realizes that this guy doesn't know how to coach?

No one respects him.
No one likes him.

It's pretty obvious that despite being a "players coach" he doesn't have good relations with his own players.

I get that a lot of "players coaches" are easy going guys. But I think in Ty Corbin's case, he has gone too far. The players want a strong leader, not a ***** boy cheerleader. I think some of the vets have recognized this... In fact, most of them do. I remember how often the vets just ignored Ty during timeouts.

My fear is that this has been figured out by the young players. Hopefully the young players don't realize that giving less than their best is acceptable for this coach who's just "happy to be in the league."

We desperately need a coach who will crack the whip. We need some discipline, leadership, and "tough love" to get these guys back into shape.

Ask yourselves, if John and Karl were on this team, think they'd respect Ty Corbin? Or would they walk all over him? What about Deron?

I think we all know the answers to these questions...
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What does this have to do with affirmative action
 
NUMBERICA said:
And when there are no sign-and-trades, are we finally allowed to call this a lesson in what NOT to do in asset management?
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That's so true.

Why the hell didnt we unload big al when we had the chance? I find it hard to believe that we couldn't have received something out of him.
 
Revolution 9 said:
In the end this will be his downfall. Players need someone that are masters of the game, and not their friends. They need to respect their coach,
not be buddies with him. Years later when he is replaced this is what will be said about why Corbin ultimately failed with us.
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Exactly.

Players need direction. They need someone who they can respect. I really don't understand the thinking in keeping a pansie in as coach.
 
sounds like Earl is still steaming hot....
"Jody Genessy @DJJazzyJody 3 hours ago
On Friday, Jazz point guard Earl Watson tweeted me an endorsement of Tyrone Corbin's "new" assistant: "Coach Jones is a great coach!"
 
My2Cents said:
Not to dispute your take, because I don't have any idea what happened, but I'm not going to just assume this had anything to do with Burks. Watson considered himself to be the primary backup PG and may have had an issue with Corbin about consistent playing time. Also, if it did happen (and it's a big if) we don't know if it was a one time thing in the heat of the moment, or if it was ongoing.
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Well I was in a rush, and kind of lept to Burks without filling in. Let me explain:

A post game interview with Watson just before All-star break . They asked him about Alec Burks recent good play. Watsons comments were something to the effect of "I told him to keep playing his games the way he knew how to play and don't let everyone tell him how he should play or try to hold him back." Continuing he said "I knew he could play given a chance"

If you remember Burks was not playing alot to start the season. The quietly spoken explanation was that he wasn't taking coaching or wasn't doing what Corbin wanted him to do. Then all of a sudden he bursts on the scene just before the break when everyone is injured. At the same time there are rumours of the Jazz trading Burks to Minny for Luke Ridinour and somewhere in there is Watson saying he told Burks to stop listening to people (coaches?) who were telling him how to play. And then Watson again at locker clean out saying that there were players who would leave the Jazz and have fabulous careers and people would be suprised by how great they were.
 
NUMBERICA said:
And when there are no sign-and-trades, are we finally allowed to call this a lesson in what NOT to do in asset management?
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Under the new CBA sign trades are pointless from the player's point of view unless they really want to go to a team that is over the cap.
It isn't like the good old days when sign and trades got a player more money guaranteed. Teams that will want Jefferson probably will have cap space.

A sign and trade with Millsap may be possible. But getting Sign-in-Trade done under the new CBA is harder to do.
 
Qman said:
Under the new CBA sign trades are pointless from the player's point of view unless they really want to go to a team that is over the cap.
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The new CBA is hardly a departure from the one previous to it in that regard. There is a niche for sign-and-trades, but you still need three parties to sign off to it when two parties is usually impossible enough.

I still think a deal finished in principle revolving around Kendrick Perkins and picks/rookie-scale players for Al Jefferson (S/T) makes a lot of sense for everybody.
 
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Revolution 9 said:
sounds like Earl is still steaming hot....
"Jody Genessy @DJJazzyJody 3 hours ago
On Friday, Jazz point guard Earl Watson tweeted me an endorsement of Tyrone Corbin's "new" assistant: "Coach Jones is a great coach!"
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I don't follow your insinuation.
 
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