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I'm in no way comparing McCullom to Lillard, and actually think they are (obviously) very diff players.....BUT, Lillard suffered from the same knock (getting teammates involved) as CJ. That's what happens when you play at a school like that.

I have no way of knowing if he can or can't at the NBA level, but I think he has the tools and IQ to do it.
 
CALJAZZFAN said:
I don't necessarily disagree with your point, but we didn't draft most of those players and the ones we drafted weren't 1st round picks.
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And I'm just saying there's no basis for the claim that we "know" PG's. There is a basis for saying Utah "knows" PF's. Whether via draft or FA, Jazz have had some good success. A few notable misses, but even SA doesn't bat 1.000. If the Jazz get McCollum and still keep the #14 somehow, I would be ecstatic. Alternately, as I mentioned, maybe they maneuver, buy a late pick and trade up into the mid-teens. McCollum and a promising big would be a very nice haul, even if it means giving up Burks.
 
I would trade Burks if it got us CJ and Shabazz. I still think that you HAVE to take Shabazz if he is there when the Jazz pick. It is a risk. If it doesn't work out, then odds are you would have drafted a bust anyways. If it does work out, you have a very, very good player to pair with Gordon, Favors and Kanter. That is a great core to build around.
 
Bodhi said:
I'm in no way comparing McCullom to Lillard, and actually think they are (obviously) very diff players.....BUT, Lillard suffered from the same knock (getting teammates involved) as CJ. That's what happens when you play at a school like that.

I have no way of knowing if he can or can't at the NBA level, but I think he has the tools and IQ to do it.
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Lillard got his teammates involved A LOT. Bigs were too slow and injured to do much on the pick and rolls.
 
green said:
I would trade Burks if it got us CJ and Shabazz. I still think that you HAVE to take Shabazz if he is there when the Jazz pick. It is a risk. If it doesn't work out, then odds are you would have drafted a bust anyways. If it does work out, you have a very, very good player to pair with Gordon, Favors and Kanter. That is a great core to build around.
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I fully endorse this post and the reasoning stated within.
 
Bodhi said:
I don't like where this is headed. You guys win.
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I think I missed one of Weber's home games his last year. Generally wanted him to do more since he could have. Was frustrating seeing a pick and roll and get doubled, Lay it off to the big at fifteen feet, oftentimes our defensive big, Mahoney, and he had an open lane for two seconds and can't hit the fifteen footer or get to the hole before the defense reacts.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
I think I missed one of Weber's home games his last year. Generally wanted him to do more since he could have. Was frustrating seeing a pick and roll and get doubled, Lay it off to the big at fifteen feet, oftentimes our defensive big, Mahoney, and he had an open lane for two seconds and can't hit the fifteen footer or get to the hole before the defense reacts.
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So what?
 
Yes most guys tell you that they need to get better. Most interviews I find ridiculous and pointless because they give standard answers. CJ gives detailed answers that shows he is studying like crazy. He wants to know everything and wants to learn more. He is very mature and educated on the game for his age.

His game still scares me but I will say that his game scares me a lot less than the the people projected to go in the teens. I am not sure Burks is worth giving up though. I am really torn. But I am leaning towards yes because I think Hayward needs to play the 2 most of the time.

Things he needs to develop........ His pick and roll sucks right now. He needs to become better at seeing when and where to pass. Very careless.

He is not a good man to man defender. But I will give him a pass and if anyone has played on a team before where you are the only scorer ......... it is very hard to have the energy to defend. I think he will get better. It was good to hear him talk about diet because I think he is a little on the hefty side. Needs to tone up to become quicker.

When he drives to the paint he is always trying to out jump his opponent. He struggled doing that in college no way he can do that in the pro's. Chris Paul, Stockton, Nash, Parker etc all were/are very good at staying on the ground. They rarely jump straight up because if they do it gives the defender time to block the shot.
The elite guards learn how to stay low and shoot while running with a floater and also passing without jumping. Even the layups they rarely leave the ground.
It was good he was saying he is trying to develop the floater. The only issue is the floater needs to be done almost flat footed. If you jump straight up while doing the floater like he does now....... you will give the defender the ability to time the shot and will get contest more often as he struggled to finish in college.

I am obviously only showing his weaknesses. His strengths are obvious I think with his shooting and IQ. Just needs to learn some veteran skills other wise he will turn into a Eddie House/Foye type player very quickly. If he does not learn the PG tricks of pick and roll or a floater he won't have a chance. He doesn't have the athletic ability that the other guards do in the league that are successful. The ones who aren't athletic have the ability to float shots and run the pick and roll very well.
 
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I like CJ McCollum, btw. And would be quite excited for us to draft him.



But I'd be most happy with Burke, obvs.
 
UGLI baby said:
McCollum>>>>>>>>>Burke
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Shooting
McCollum>Burke

Pick and Roll & Court Vision
McCollum<Burke

Finishing/Floater
McCollum<Burke

Man to Man Defense
McCollum<Burke

Off-Ball Defense
McCollum>Burke

Rebounding
McCollum>Burke

Ball control and Turnovers
McCollum<Burke


There are other factors to consider but these are the big ones. And yes its pretty balanced but Burke has the upper hand on the skills that translate better to the NBA. He is already ready to run the pick and roll and has court vision. He also is a better man to man defender which is more important than off-ball. Less risk.
Burke is also a much better finisher at the rim and is better at the floater than CJ.
Those are very very important skills that a PG needs in the NBA.
CJ I think could develop them over time but he could also not and end up being a Eddie House type player at a worst case scenario.
Trey Burke worst case is a solid PG who just fills the role of PG but nothing way great. Like a Jameer Nelson type career.
 
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