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DeMar DeRozan?

last season, Andrea Bargnani averaged 12.2 field goal attempts per game, in 28.7minutes per game

he shot 39% from the field, and 30% from 3, on 3.5 attempts per

they expected him to open the lanes for DeRozan...

obviously when you look at those #'s, teams were letting Bargs shoot

meaning teams were sagging off of bargs to clog the driving lanes, therefore DeRozan put up those #'s with lots of help defense coming at him

DeRozan with proper spacing, and shooters like Hayward and Burke flanking him, makes me thing he can really outperform expectations, if he was the jazz starting SG next year...

also its fair in my estimation to think DeRozan was forced to over-extend himself on the offensive end, giving him an excuse for some of his defensive lapses,

and its not like the raptors have a good defense to help derozan, i have a hard time placing individual blame on DeRozan, when it was the failures of the FO and mostly Andrea Bargnani
 
GVC said:
Right or wrong, a lot of teams (albeit mostly bad ones) pay a lot for players with iso ability, regardless of their defensive prowess or bball iq, presumably thinking it's easier to figure out team play than it is to develop handles/finishing ability. Hayward doesn't have the flashy skills, but he's a terrific spot up shooter and overall team and transition player. I suspect he could be re-signed for DeRozan money (or less, potentially) this summer.
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If he can be kept at sub $10 mil/year (average) then I would consider that a good deal. Anything more and my feet start to get a little cold.
 
In regards to DeRoseanne, I know about as much about him as I do an anonymous scrub. I didn't like him as a prospect and liked him less where he was drafted and that's where I've left it.
 
NUMBERICA said:
If he can be kept at sub $10 mil/year (average) then I would consider that a good deal. Anything more and my feet start to get a little cold.
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my thoughts exactly, if we can get him for 8 per on a 4 year deal, thats one of the best contracts in the league, imo

BUT, i think he gets the D. Lee, whiteboy-premium contract..

(been saying this)

Unless Hayward is going to accept under market value to stay with the team, which he may

if im his agent, and hayward tells me he wants the most $$$ he can find, i tell the jazz (like what brandon jennings just did to the bucks)

heres the offer i will sign, and it would be 4 years, 48mil, and the 4th year would be a player option
 
Teams - especially ones like the Jazz - need to be getting more value out of their players than what the players are paid. We've already seen the consequences of what two really bad/unnecessary contracts have done to a very good and promising team (AK, Memo). This applies as much to Hayward as it does anyone else on the roster. The good part of this is I think the rest of the league is figuring that out and figuring out that draft picks are actually worth a ****, which hopefully begins to depress the RFA market from a buyer's prospective.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEfN4h5uf2Q

if your not familliar with DeRozans improvement, check out #3,

(2:02)

this is why all comparisons to burks must end, apples and oranges
 
DeRozan is seriously expendable right now-- meaning the Jazz could really capitalize here. He isn't a star player, and his shooting isn't great, but he could realllllyy fit within an offense along the likes of Burke, Hayward, and Millsap.

Burke
DeRozan
Hayward
Millsap
Favors

6th man: Kanter


Good passing from 1-5 (Favors has shown marked improvement here-- not going off stats, just intuition) and okay spacing if we re-sign Foye.


Only thing that puts me off is his damn contract. Sheesh

I think I could be convinced to do Burks + filler/crappy pick for DeRozan
 
i agree Dal, watching the price rise on OJ Mayo and Tyreke Evans the past few days, has convinced me DeRozan is on sale, and thats for all teams

DeRozan appears to be a great fit for Utah.

we can give him space, and im sure he doesnt want to play hero ball as the Raptors asked of him, he wants to obiliterate teams, this kid didnt have energy for defense, i bet hes better on D than hes credited for (certainly he can improve)

this is a good kid... he plays in lots of NBA players charity games, and makes a point to put on a show dunking...

hes from compton, this kid will not backdown, this is a world class athlete, i believe hes just begun to scratch the surface

Look at #3 of those top 10 plays i just posted

he loses Danny Green on the perimeter which is tough by itself, the whole defense collapses on him, he dribbles thru it and takes on Duncan, misses the shot but is in the best position to get the rebound, puts it back with 0.7 seconds left

it angres me that people are going to use advanced stats to debunk his effectiveness, too much was being asked of this player(he was picking up the slack of the vets/bigger $$ guys), especially considering his age, in a healthy system, with the proper shooters around him this kid could flourish
 
also DeRozan for a player of that weight and explosiveness has proven to be quite durable

started every game in college

and has started 292 out of 304 games in the pros, those 12 games he didnt start were all in his rookie season

as a rookie he shot .498 FG%

as his role has increased in the offense thats gone down,

DeRozan grabs boards, and shoots 80% from the line

he also gets to the line, a ton...

heres the top 10 of free throw attempts last year

1 James Harden, 792
2 Kevin Durant, 750
3 Dwight Howard, 721
4 Kobe Bryant, 626
5 Russell Westbrook, 575
6 LeBron James, 535
7 Carmelo Anthony, 512
8 DeMar DeRozan, 427
9 Blake Griffin, 426
10 Dwyane Whistle, 425
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
this is why all comparisons to burks must end, apples and oranges
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Comparing Alec to anyone but Nick Young is a stretch. He'll never be at DeMar's level.

dalamon said:
I think I could be convinced to do Burks + filler/crappy pick for DeRozan
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I still wouldn't want him for Burks + Marvin, even though that preserves flexibility this year. Unless a draft pick is included, but they can't offer it until draft night next summer.
 
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