Hopper
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""Fesenko hardly played in the regular season but started nine playoff games after Okur went down. He was unspeakably awful..." lhttps://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playe...?playerId=3205 "
Go figure, eh?
Was Fes' Play Last Night An Aberration?
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""Fesenko hardly played in the regular season but started nine playoff games after Okur went down. He was unspeakably awful..." lhttps://insider.espn.go.com/nba/playe...?playerId=3205 "
Go figure, eh?
InGameStrategy
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Yes, go figure. These ESPN hacks are the same people who ranked Jazz to end up, on average, 4th or 5th in the Western Conference this season. Makes perfect sense that they would have no idea what Fesenko did relative to Okur's matador D in the playoffs. They clearly just looked at the box score.
Hopper
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I bet they did!
InGameStrategy
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Which is also misguiding if you look at Okur's box score (although his low blocks are somewhat consistent with his typical defensive valor).
That particular quote is actually from Hollinger. His analysis tends to be highly PER centric and Fesenko's play doesn't translate well on those terms. I think this is an instance where Hollinger's method shows its flaws.
Hollinger has moderated that analysis in the past when it's known that a player is a defensive stud (Bruce Bowen never translated well on PER either) but I doubt he knows about Fesenko.
InGameStrategy
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Thanks for the clarification. It shows in his analysis; Hollinger pegs the Jazz to finish 6th this year. At other times, the Hollinger method has artificailly inflated the Jazz's standing, but not here. BTW, I want to correct my previous statement: average ranking in the West by these "experts" is 5.5, not between 4 and 5. Not the first time that Hopper provides information that is flawed or questionable.
Gyp Rosetti
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KF's final pre-season stats. They look damn good, other than the 3.9 fouls per 18+ minutes. The free throw shooting I can even live with.
https://www.nba.com/playerfile/kyrylo_fesenko/index.html
https://www.nba.com/playerfile/kyrylo_fesenko/index.html
InGameStrategy
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Nope, not anymore than hyperbole count is sufficient to evaluate the quality of your posts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole
Note that through this highly dragged out thread, I mentioned +/- in very few posts, mainly because I didn't need to. There was plenty of basis for my argument from other sources. Including from you.
I know you're just tryin to push S2's buttons but I'll jump in here.
I'm not really thrilled with any particular metric as some sort of sole arbiter of a player's value. They all have well documented flaws and those flaws tend to overvalue or undervalue certain players depending upon what they measure.
My comment above was meant to provide an explanation as to why Hollinger would write that Fesenko was awful in last year's playoffs even though that was clearly not the case and different metrics tell different stories about his contribution.
I agree with Kicky on that last comment. If you were to take AK's Stats from the last couple of years they don't look like anything special. But he definitely helps us win games that we don't win without him. Fes did a good job in the Denver series. He was out classed in the LA series. But He was far from as bad as Hollinger makes him sound. PER can't messure what he contributed in that Denver series.
Hopper
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It's always nice when you have a selection ya can make, ya know? If, for example, Fess had 13 baskets and 14 turnovers, I can stress that he made some baskets, and ignore the turnovers, if I want to make him sound better. Likewise, I can talk about only the turnovers, and ignore the baskets if I want to make him sound worse. If he made 5 baskets, while missin 11, there again I have a choice of what to emphasize, which is a nice luxury. If he has a great game, but makes one mistake, I can just talk about the mistake. If he plays terribly the entire game, but makes one good play, I can just talk about that one play. Whichever way it goes, I can always prove my own conclusions to myself, at least.
That's the way I like it, and that's the way it should be.
I remember a game where Kobe missed a basket, and then, on the other end, Jarron Collins made one, which purty much proves what I been sayin from the git-go: Jarron is better than Kobe.
That's the way I like it, and that's the way it should be.
I remember a game where Kobe missed a basket, and then, on the other end, Jarron Collins made one, which purty much proves what I been sayin from the git-go: Jarron is better than Kobe.