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Hotttnickkk vs Spycam1 (Do-over)

Who would win in a 7 game series?

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spycam1

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I know what you're thinking. WTF is this? Well, nickkk feels he wasn't given a fair chance to defend his team, so he's written some stuff on why he thinks his team would win and we're doing the vote one more time. I know this is weird, but just bare with us. And please, vote again.

Team Hotttnickkk:

PG- Jason Kidd / Rajon Rondo
SG- James Harden / Mitch Richmond
SF- Kevin Garnett / Peja Stojakovic
PF- Dirk Nowitzki / Blake Griffin
C- Shaquille O'Neal / Andrew Bynum

Team Spycam1:

PG- Gary Payton / Deron Williams
SG- Dwyane Wade / Ray Allen
SF- Grant Hill / Glen Rice
PF- Charles Barkley / Rashard Lewis
C- Hakeem Olajuwon / Dikembe Mutumbo



Hotttnickkk's write-up:

OK Guys, this is my write-up of how my team was gonna beat Spy's team. Spy thought I was gonna be away so he posted my write-up for the previous match.

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Shaquille O'Neal VS Olajuwon: Yeah Olajuwon did beat Shaq but that was wayyyyy before Shaq got to his potential. It's like saying Tayshaun Prince contained LeBron James in the ECF when LeBron was young, therefore Prince >>> Lebron. Not a chance. You have to compare players while they're both DOMINANT.

The most dominant Center Olajuwon had played against was Shaq (Magic Days). BUT!!!! SHAQ (Lakers Days) was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy more DOMANT(Lakers day). Shaq will make the most use of his wide and BIG body and back down Olajuwon and score at will dunking over the rim.

Verdict: DRAW

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Kevin Garnett VS Grant Hill: All I can think about is Garnett's defensive intensity at the SF in this match-up. Hill was "good" in his days (although his team never went anywhere). Garnett won't let Hill penetrate, and he surely won't let Hill hit any easy jumpers. Hill also isn't known for 3pt shooting, so Garnett would be free to help out in the paint area as well. Offensively Garnett is a legit 6'10, so he'll simply shoot over the 6'9 Hill.

Verdict: Garnett

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James Harden VS Dwayne Wade: I do think Dwayne's experience and clutchness is going to come through here - so I'm giving this to Spy.

Verdict: Wade

Jason Kidd VS Garry Payton: What can so say? Two of the best PG to have ever played the game. I think if anyone can stop Payton it would be the SIZE and LENGTH at the PG of Jason Kidd. Plus Kidd has a 3pt shot that Payton doesn't. Payton though has his quickness and tenacity. I'm also giving this a DRAW.

Verdict: DRAW

Dirk Nowitzki VS Barkley: To me this match-up is the tie-breaker in this match. Dirk is a legit 7'0 PF. Barkley is at best 6'6. Dirk is going to simply rise above Barkley and shoots over him on a mid-range. He'll draw Barkley out to the perimeter where Barkley's the LEAST effective, and hit 3's , after 3's, after 3's. Barkley's rebounding would be negated by this also.

Verdict: Nowitzki

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Score: Hotttnickkk 4 vs Spycam 3

Bench

Rondo = Williams
Bynum = Mutombo (Bynum's all round game VS Mutombo's limited offense)
Griffin > Lewis (Are you kidding me??? Rashad Lewis at the 4?? Griffin is going to back him down and dunk on him all game long)

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Stojakovic = Rice
Richmond < Allen

Final Results: Hotttnickkk 8 VS Spycam 7

It's a close match - but I think at the end of the day, the game will be won with the starters.

- Olajuwon & Shaq will cancel each other out
- Kidd and Payton will cancel each other out
- Garnett will better Hill
- Wade will better Harden

- BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The 7'0 Dirk Nowitzki is going to be wayyyyyyy too tall and long for the 6'6 Barkley. Nowitzki is going to shoot over Barkley all game long. Moreover, bringing Barkley to the perimeter negates any rebounding that he should bring. Is Olajuwon going to be the only one doing all the rebounding????
 
Spy's write-up:

Hakeem vs Shaq

The battle of the titans. And with this one, we don't have to theorize too much on how it would go. We've already seen it, and it went a little something like this...

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Hakeem was too much for Shaq when they met in the Finals. Some might argue that Shaq wasn't in his prime yet, but his stats were just as impressive then as when he eventually did win championships. And even AFTER Shaq was in his prime, he claimed Hakeem was the best center of all time. Check out this quote from when Shaq was with Cleveland:

"He was a guy that I couldn't break. All the other great centers, I was able to get into their heads a little...the five greatest centers--Hakeem, to me, is number one." -Shaquille O'Neal

And can you name someone other than Hakeem who won MVP, Finals MVP, and Defensive Player of the Year in the same year? I can't.

Hakeem wins the most important match up in this series.

Dirk vs Barkley

Dirk became one of the most overrated players after winning that ring. He's still a lousy rebounder with awful defense.

Rebounds win championships. Barkley was pulling down rebound titles during the best era for big men. Barkley was getting 14 boards a game, while Dirk got 7-8 in his best years.

And can you imagine the slow-footed Dirk trying to stay in front of Barkley clear out at the 3 point line? Barkley could penetrate like no PF ever, and he's being guarded by someone with snail like lateral quickness? Give me a break.

Not to mention Barkley routinely averaged 5 assists per game.

Bottom line, Barkley is a top-3 PF of all time. Both match ups in the post go to my team.

KG vs Hill

KG is NOT a SF. He's being played out of position here, no doubt a bout it. All of his shot blocking prowess is taken away by having him roam around the 3-point line.

And the whole point of KG at SF is supposedly to have a size advantage, yes? Well, you don't get much of that against Grant Hill. Many listed Hill at 6-9 with a monster wingspan. And he once pulled down 10 RPG.

Whatever advantages you would get from playing KG at SF, they are outweighed by the disadvantages. Especially against someone with the size and rebounding of Grant Hill.

Oh, one more time: Grant Hill averaged more assists and rebounds than LeBron James during their first four seasons. Let that sink in a little. Hill put up crazy numbers, and unlike guys like McGrady or Carter, he had the intangibles to top it all off.

KG is the better player as far as where they should go on the all time greats list, but playing SF, Hill is better.

Wade vs Harden

Wade won a Finals MVP as the #1 option for his team. Harden hasn't even won a playoff series as the top guy. Harden is good offensively, but Wade is better (was averaging 30 points and 7.5 assists). Plus, Harden is nowhere near the defender Wade is. Not even close.

Hell, my BACKUP SG is better than Harden. And Hotttnickkk agrees. He was shocked I picked Ray Allen and was debating between he and Harden for his next pick, but he thought Ray was better.

A quote from him:

Hotttnickkk said:
I was fighting a decision of Ray Allen VS James Harden.


My head said Allen
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nuff said

Kidd vs Payton

The closest match up of the series. But don't buy this crap nickkk is selling about Kidd being a 3 point shooter. He was a bad shooter in his prime and everyone knows it. Payton wasn't a good 3-point shooter for most of his career either, but he had better 3 point shooting seasons in his prime than Kidd.

Look at this season for Payton: 24 points / 9 assists / 6.5 rebounds while shooting 37% from 3 AND LED THE LEAGUE IN 3's MADE.

This match up is very close. One is clearly the better passer, while one is clearly the better defender (only PG to ever win DPOY) and scorer.

Bench

We've already established my backup SG is better than his starting SG, so I think says enough. Plus, I've got one of the best defenders ever coming off the bench in Mutumbo along with crazy 3 point shooting from Ray, Rice, and Lewis. Oh, and Deron Williams, was pretty good.

P.S. Griffin sucks *** and Bynum would get injured in game 1 vs Mutumbo.
 
nickkk, when evaluating the benches, why do you not even mention my 6th man? My backup SG is better than your starting SG.
 
spycam1 said:
nickkk, when evaluating the benches, why do you not even mention my 6th man? My backup SG is better than your starting SG.
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Nvm, just saw you did. Your section about the bench was split in two by some pics.
 
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I think KKK would win this one: Dirk would just toy with them. Barkley played in an era when Power Forward wasn't really a thing. Dirk in contrast is the 2nd best PF to ever play the game. His career defensive rating is better than Barkleys. Barkley is so undersized and has no outside game, he wouldn't stand a chance. Dirk's defense is better than people say. While he seems lackluster and his lateral movement is slow, he knows his opponents and will offer them the choice he knows results in points less likely. Add to that, that Dirk is one of the smartest defensive reader, who will call opponents plays in their development and help out his teammates this way. Dirk would toy with Barkley from his sweet spots, hitting practice shots or using his height to seperate while driving to the basket. Playing away from the basket won't allow Barkley to grab that many boards as well.
When they give Barkley the rock, Dirk will give him space and alter Barkley's sot with his height. So basically it's 5v4 on defense for team KKK...
 
How is O'Neal going to guard anyone in the pick n' roll?

How is Dirk going to grab rebounds?

How is KKK's slow *** front court going to handle the speed of Barkley in transition?

How is Harden going to score with Payton on him? (Yeah, I'm putting Payton on Harden, Wade vs. Kidd).


The whole thing with Dirk's size is a big matchup, but there are other matchups that Spycam's team has and I think he has the overall better players. Worst comes to worst, just double off of Jason Kidd, he isn't that good offensively.

You may even want to start Dwill so you have a deadly Dwill/The Dream pick n' roll vs Shaq. I'm not fluent on Payton's pick n' roll ability, but Dwill is still one of the better pick n' roll players and he can shoot the 3. That present just as many problems as Dirk's height and shooting.
 
Dirk isn't the 2nd best PF to ever play.

Never averaged over 10 rpg.

Never considered to be a good defender.

Was chastised for being soft most of his career.

I will give him top 5, but still think he is below Garnett and Barkley.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Dirk isn't the 2nd best PF to ever play.

Never averaged over 10 rpg.

Never considered to be a good defender.

Was chastised for being soft most of his career.

I will give him top 5, but still think he is below Garnett and Barkley.
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So you think if ESPN calls him soft he's soft? They called him not clutch for missing 1 buzzer beater in his career ignoring all the big shots he hit. He's one of the best 4th quarter scorer in the history of the game...Defensive rebounding he's 21% over his career. Barkley and Malone are 23% and Garnett is 25%. Most PFs are below 20%...
The thing is his perimeter game reduces his offensive rebounds, where he only grabs 4% of the misses, while Malone and Garnett 8% each and Barkley a strong 12,5%.
It's just cherry picking. His clutchness, offensive efficiency, elite ballhandling, strategic skills make him #2 for me an inch before Malon for championship reasons.
As I told you, his defensive playcalling make up for his weakness in that category.
He's also the best playoff performer of that group with only slightly better winshares and PER than Barkley. Malone and Garnett have pedestrian playoff numbers with few exceptions...
 
heyhey said:
..but I thought dirk was going to keep Charles from getting boards? Seeing as he is such a better rebounder.
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So you can't read? Dirk luring him out to midrange, will limit his rebounding to long boards if he doesn't opt to not contest in favor of getting closer to the basket. Simple as it is. My last part wasn't even on a Dirk v Chuck matchup, it was about "Who is 2nd greatest PF of all time?" And yet I haven't even heard a valid argument from someone else but opinions.
 
Look you probably grew up watching the worst era in basketball since the 60's. You obviously have never seen Charles play. Saying that Dirk is better because he won a ring in an easier era of bball is ridiculous. Are you saying that Dirk would have beaten Mj and the Bulls, because that is the only thing that stood between Barkley and a championship.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
How is O'Neal going to guard anyone in the pick n' roll?

Who's going to run it? Payton can't shoot. Wade isn't a PnR player. Neither is Hill. This isn't a PnR heavy team.

How is Dirk going to grab rebounds?

Defensively Dirk's length is going to bother Barkley's. Offensively Dirk will draw out Barkley - Garnett will help inside as well. There's plenty of rebounders there.

How is KKK's slow *** front court going to handle the speed of Barkley in transition?

LOL.. you're making it sound like Barkley's going to get a lot of defensive rebound and start running. That won't happen very often with Shaq and Garnett in there as well clogging up the lane.

How is Harden going to score with Payton on him? (Yeah, I'm putting Payton on Harden, Wade vs. Kidd).

Are you or is Spy coaching this team?

The whole thing with Dirk's size is a big matchup, but there are other matchups that Spycam's team has and I think he has the overall better players. Worst comes to worst, just double off of Jason Kidd, he isn't that good offensively.

Dallas' version of Kidd would stand there and knock down 3's all day long.

You may even want to start Dwill so you have a deadly Dwill/The Dream pick n' roll vs Shaq. I'm not fluent on Payton's pick n' roll ability, but Dwill is still one of the better pick n' roll players and he can shoot the 3. That present just as many problems as Dirk's height and shooting.
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I still think Dirk's 7'0 vs Barkley's 6'6 frame is a much bigger mismatch.
 
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