Hotttnickkk vs Spycam1 (Do-over)

[ema]

Think KG in his Minnesota days. He was known to be able to guard SF, PF and occasionally some C's.

Still it doesn't sound much sound to play him against a SF like Hill. We are talking about a guy who played seasons like 20pts-10rbs-7 assists or 21.5 pts-9 rbs-7.3 assists or 25.8 pts-6.6 rbs-5.2 assists, before his injuries. A guy who won the all-star votes as a rookie, defeating Shaq!

Btw, I don't think your team is as bad as the voting suggests or some people claimed it to be earlier here. It's just spycams team looks more balanced and Hakeem gets a lot of votes for him. If you, for instance, played KG as a backup 4 for Dirk and drafted a good SF instead of Blake you would have one of the best teams and maybe even win the whole contest.

 

[The Midnight]

Hotttnickkk is such a bitch and KG is not a SF.

Nice analysis....


This is EXACTLY what I was talking about.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This makes my breakfast taste so much sweeter. Didn't think such a game would expose a user's stubbornness and prejudicial attitude so hard
But it's good to know whose input to double check in the future. Half knowledge is and has always been dangerous!

Explain please.

Are you saying KG could easily cover Ray Allen coming off multiple screens? Or cover DWade off the dribble consistently?

Yes, I understand these are also huge mismatches for KG to exploit, but out of all the players on KKK's starting lineup, I would dare KG and Kidd to beat me offensively the most.

The Dirk thing does worry me, because when Dirk is hot, he is unstoppable. I don't feel KG is on that level. I let KG get the shots, limit Dirk's touches as much as possible, let Hakeem and Shaq battle it out, help off of Kidd if needed, let Wade handle Harden.

I just feel like Spy's team is more balanced.

Olajuown is the clear cut back to the basket post player. Can be unstoppable 1-on-1 and is great at everything.

Barkley is the workhorse, getting all the loose balls and rebounds, and getting out in transition ahead of the other big men.

Ray Allen (who IMO should start over Hill) is the elite shooter. The most prolific shooter in the history of the league. Can't help off him if you are KG (or Harden/Kidd/whoever you decide to put on him) and you have to chase him through screens. If you put KG on him, you are going to concede a lot of open 3's.

Wade is the 1-on-1 creator when everything else breaks down. He also provides elite perimeter defense (especially if the refs are reffing like old-school refs) and a great midrange game.

Dwill is an excellent passer when put in a system that allows him to work with dominant big men. Hello pick n rolls with Hakeem and Charles vs. Dirk and Shaq. He also helps spread the floor. Payton could also be used if you are looking to up the defensive intensity. I don't think it's that big of a deal though because Jason Kidd and Rondo are the opposing PG's, nothing Dwill can't handle.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Still it doesn't sound much sound to play him against a SF like Hill. We are talking about a guy who played seasons like 20pts-10rbs-7 assists or 21.5 pts-9 rbs-7.3 assists or 25.8 pts-6.6 rbs-5.2 assists, before his injuries. A guy who won the all-star votes as a rookie, defeating Shaq!

Btw, I don't think your team is as bad as the voting suggests or some people claimed it to be earlier here. It's just spycams team looks more balanced and Hakeem gets a lot of votes for him. If you, for instance, played KG as a backup 4 for Dirk and drafted a good SF instead of Blake you would have one of the best teams and maybe even win the whole contest.

Yeah, going for a good defensive or shooting SF would have helped a lot. I just have questions about KG guarding the best of the best on the wing.

 

[The Midnight]

Still it doesn't sound much sound to play him against a SF like Hill. We are talking about a guy who played seasons like 20pts-10rbs-7 assists or 21.5 pts-9 rbs-7.3 assists or 25.8 pts-6.6 rbs-5.2 assists, before his injuries. A guy who won the all-star votes as a rookie, defeating Shaq!

Btw, I don't think your team is as bad as the voting suggests or some people claimed it to be earlier here. It's just spycams team looks more balanced and Hakeem gets a lot of votes for him. If you, for instance, played KG as a backup 4 for Dirk and drafted a good SF instead of Blake you would have one of the best teams and maybe even win the whole contest.

??? Garnett's best year in Minny his averages were: 24ppg, 14reb, 5assists... which beats that of Hill.

Plus Hill was never known to be a great defender, he was decent but not great. Garnett would definitely do a better job in shutting him down than 95% of the league.

Appreciate your comment re the voting... as I've stated previously, unfortunately I've got too many haters to do well in these types of competition...

 

[The Midnight]

Explain please.

Are you saying KG could easily cover Ray Allen coming off multiple screens? Or cover DWade off the dribble consistently?

Yes, I understand these are also huge mismatches for KG to exploit, but out of all the players on KKK's starting lineup, I would dare KG and Kidd to beat me offensively the most.

The Dirk thing does worry me, because when Dirk is hot, he is unstoppable. I don't feel KG is on that level. I let KG get the shots, limit Dirk's touches as much as possible, let Hakeem and Shaq battle it out, help off of Kidd if needed, let Wade handle Harden.

I just feel like Spy's team is more balanced.

Olajuown is the clear cut back to the basket post player. Can be unstoppable 1-on-1 and is great at everything.

Barkley is the workhorse, getting all the loose balls and rebounds, and getting out in transition ahead of the other big men.

Ray Allen (who IMO should start over Hill) is the elite shooter. The most prolific shooter in the history of the league. Can't help off him if you are KG (or Harden/Kidd/whoever you decide to put on him) and you have to chase him through screens. If you put KG on him, you are going to concede a lot of open 3's.

Wade is the 1-on-1 creator when everything else breaks down. He also provides elite perimeter defense (especially if the refs are reffing like old-school refs) and a great midrange game.

Dwill is an excellent passer when put in a system that allows him to work with dominant big men. Hello pick n rolls with Hakeem and Charles vs. Dirk and Shaq. He also helps spread the floor. Payton could also be used if you are looking to up the defensive intensity. I don't think it's that big of a deal though because Jason Kidd and Rondo are the opposing PG's, nothing Dwill can't handle.

Put Dirk on the perimeter (and drag Barkley out with him).

Garnett goes to the post and back down for an easy layup/fadeaway over the 6'7 Hill 10 out of 10 times.

Kidd's 3pt shooting when he was in Dallas was better than most PGs - definitely better than Payton.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Put Dirk on the perimeter (and drag Barkley out with him).

Garnett goes to the post and back down for an easy layup/fadeaway over the 6'7 Hill 10 out of 10 times.

Kidd's 3pt shooting when he was in Dallas was better than most PGs - definitely better than Payton.

KG had a size advantage his entire career and never did much with it as the primary scoring option. Just not that worried about him beating me offensively if he is the leading player in FG attempts. In that scenario I could also switch Barkley onto KG if I was worried about KG overpowering Hill in the post.

Of the 3 post players, who start, KG is the one I want posting up the most. It's just that clear. For all these teams you are going to have pick your poison and I pick KG.


Overall, like I've stated before, I see Spy's team as one that could actually play together. I don't see Dirk/KG as a good fit.

 

[BTP]

Explain please.

Are you saying KG could easily cover Ray Allen coming off multiple screens? Or cover DWade off the dribble consistently?

Yes, I understand these are also huge mismatches for KG to exploit, but out of all the players on KKK's starting lineup, I would dare KG and Kidd to beat me offensively the most.

The Dirk thing does worry me, because when Dirk is hot, he is unstoppable. I don't feel KG is on that level. I let KG get the shots, limit Dirk's touches as much as possible, let Hakeem and Shaq battle it out, help off of Kidd if needed, let Wade handle Harden.

I just feel like Spy's team is more balanced.

Olajuown is the clear cut back to the basket post player. Can be unstoppable 1-on-1 and is great at everything.

Barkley is the workhorse, getting all the loose balls and rebounds, and getting out in transition ahead of the other big men.

Ray Allen (who IMO should start over Hill) is the elite shooter. The most prolific shooter in the history of the league. Can't help off him if you are KG (or Harden/Kidd/whoever you decide to put on him) and you have to chase him through screens. If you put KG on him, you are going to concede a lot of open 3's.

Wade is the 1-on-1 creator when everything else breaks down. He also provides elite perimeter defense (especially if the refs are reffing like old-school refs) and a great midrange game.

Dwill is an excellent passer when put in a system that allows him to work with dominant big men. Hello pick n rolls with Hakeem and Charles vs. Dirk and Shaq. He also helps spread the floor. Payton could also be used if you are looking to up the defensive intensity. I don't think it's that big of a deal though because Jason Kidd and Rondo are the opposing PG's, nothing Dwill can't handle.

The way I look at it, these teams are so deep: I view it strictly as S5 vs S5 and Bench vs bench. Cause you'll find lineups in EVERY case if you cherrypick who will make a draw argument. And spycams S5 doesn't have a single reliable three point shooter. In general KG couldn't guard Grant Hill. But they'll play 2.9 defense and won't even close out on 3 pointer cause they couldn't hit. Look up his S5s numbers from three. A 31% shooter is the best spycam has to offer in his S5. So you simply clog the paint and it's already over. Barkley and Hill are robbed off their biggest strengths. Hakeem won't have much space either getting triple teamed by 7 footer if O'Neal is beaten by a dream shake...
Had he chosen a good S5 I'd be on spycam's side cause if you pair his player properly into lineups, KG at 3 would lose the game alone. But he didn't so the way I look at it his team is useless. I've elaborated yesterday evening a long time about Dirk > Barkley and even Dirk > Barkley in this setting considering his teammates.
How you going to stop Dirk from getting the ball? He simply goes to his sweet spot, and I don't think a 6'6" guy could intercept an entry pass up top for a 7 footer. And Kidd will do that. He literally did for several seasons. So Dirk has the ball, he'll feel Barkley's body who has to gamble to put pressure when he didn't start a dribble. So either he'll feel him leaning one way and spin the other for his one handed runners or he'll simply step back. He won't even need to fade away when you consider Barkley's size.
There's a sports science analysis on Dirk's flamingo shot if you search youtube for it. It's not blockable for Dwight Howard on max vert, neither is it for undersized Barkley.
If you'd at least comment on my combination of eye test and stat analysis and prove me wrong, we'd have a conversation. But right now it's me pointing pages of stats and your butt turning baboon red from the verbal abuse.
I mean if he put in different lineups, it would be legit, but he didn't! He simply didn't. Cause in case you start Allen on SF as you suggested, I simply put Kidd on SF, and he's neutralized and start Rondo as PG. Harden and Dirk will provide enough spacing. You can do that merry go round all day long. Won't lead anywhere. RPS dilemma...YAY. If they had 5 players, it would be str8 up fair and square.

 

[UGLI baby]

Take away votes from people who hates my guts for no good reason (Cy, Num, [size/HUGE] fixed [/size], Thee Jazz Fanz, UGLI), and it's a pretty close 9-13 score...


It's not ideal, but I'm okay with that... thanks again guys who voted for me without bias.

You dork, I'm your biggest fan.

I basically grabbed and groomed you bro. Don't forget it.

 

[[size/HUGE] fixed [/size]]

 

[addictionary]

You underestimate the dream spy. Shaq would wipe the floor with him while he is dream shaking on the ground. I went for spy.

 

[addictionary]

Garnett would hit midrangers but hill would posterize him.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Nice analysis....


This is EXACTLY what I was talking about.

That you're a bitch? I guess it was nice analysis. Good to see you stop whining.

 

[NUMBERICA]

How can KG possibly stop this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG742vuahYo

 

[[size/HUGE] fixed [/size]]

LOLOLOLOL...

What are you smoking? First round was a landslide - it'll be too obvious for them to vote against me. [size/HUGE] fixed [/size] for example said he won't vote simply because both teams are bad... I mean c'mon now. That's really stretching the vindictiveness....

2nd round against a decent opponent was their chance to really let it rip.

Has anybody called you a bitch lately?

 

[UGLI baby]

Can we get a do over do over? Wasn't ready.


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[spycam1]

I'm in a bitchy mood and am mad I only got 21 votes.

Third time's the charm, right?

 

[[size/HUGE] fixed [/size]]

I love how much "anchoring" Bynum did.
And I love how much prime-Kidd can be counted on to spread the floor.
And I love how KG is just flying around the floor like a guard.
And Dirk is just punishing Barkley cuz he's2short4ballzlolz

 

[The Midnight]

That you're a bitch? I guess it was nice analysis. Good to see you stop whining.

Has anybody called you a bitch lately?

LOL.. thanks for showing us once again how loving you guys can be...

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

LOL.. thanks for showing us once again how loving you guys can be...

KKK you are kind of being a bitch doe really. Just stop whining so much. You lost fair in square. You took a risk drafting a player out of position and it didn't pay off.