NAOS
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Other than shooting 18 foot jumpers, Boozer is not better than Jefferson at anything.
Left Hand.
(I'd still take Jefferson over Boozer... for a few reasons)
Other than shooting 18 foot jumpers, Boozer is not better than Jefferson at anything.
Left Hand.
(I'd still take Jefferson over Boozer... for a few reasons)
lot of millsap doubters, i was asking what games have you guys been watching? millsap continues to improve his offensive game and is ready to explode this season w/ boozer out of the picture.
I'd ask if you're simply looking at aggregate production -- either box scores, or cheering when Millsap makes a play -- rather than looking at the specifics of how that production is manufactured.
I love Millsap. But I fail to see how one can make an argument as to his ability to anchor an offense.
Boozer can do that. Jefferson can as well (better post presence low, though questionable on consistent facilitation abilities).
The cause matters at least as much as the effect, particularly when you have a team, coach and system that are looking for contending results through peak personnel.
You can make this analytical move -- I applaud it. But you can't do it without following it to the end of the line. You make no mention of defense in this post or in the other thread.
When you do, the tidy little lines you've drawn and placed Boozer on one side and Millsap on the other start to look a bit more arbitrary.
I also get the sense that you might be hanging on to an old story. Millsap's offensive game is improving. There were several times in the OKC game where he created his own shot from about 15-17 feet out.
As the Boozer-haters come out of the woodwork.
What do you mean out of the woodwork? I was a Boozer apologist for quite a while, saw the writing on the wall, and have been vocal about not missing him ever since.
Dennis Rodman was a better man-defender than Shaq.
What that has to do with Rodman as a marquee player, with a championshipl-level offense designed around him, I fail to understand in any type of long or short form analysis.
Is Millsap now Bill Russell? Because the idea that he's a defensive anchor, on par with Boozer's offensive role, is one of the more nonsensical asseverations -- at the least, implications -- I've seen on here.
If that isn't the point, then I fail to see what your point is. That a sturdy, respectable defender is better than a mediocre to poor defender?
And...what? Millsap's overall game is not elevated to Boozer's level because he plays decent defense in a man to man and occasional help context.
It's rather like pointing out that a compact car gets better mileage than a Hummer.
That's a pretty poor example of self-shot creation. 15-17 foot jumpers from bigs tend to be created off spacing and guard initiation; Millsap is no different.
He is decent at driving the lane, a faceup context, but his back to the basket game is rudimentary, with little more than a decent jumper to work with in low-post situations.
He can drive, yes. But that doesn't mean you can set him up on the block, let him go to work either man to man or with a crowd, and expect an optimal shot for him or a teammate.
That's shot creation. That's facilitation.
Boozer had that -- amazing footwork -- and so does Jefferson. Guys you can design an offense around, in other words.
Millsap is -- though I'm not making a one to one talent comparison with anyone here -- more like Thurl Bailey to Karl Malone. The latter was setting up the offense, and someone like Bailey as a second or third option, just by being on the floor. The ability to dump the ball in, either in isolation or motion contexts, inherent to the star's skillsets creating not only for himself but for teammates.
AK was primarily injured for the 20 win season. That's why the team dropped from 40 to 20 wins. Get your facts straight.
You do realize the Jazz's record has been the same with or without Boozer over the last few years?
You do realize the Jazz running a 'post-centric offense' is a load of crap?
First off, you take my points and throw them into the logical extremes: Shaq vs. Rodman, Bill Russell, etc.
Not only did I not say that he was a defensive anchor, but I didn't even make the claim that he was "on par" with Boozer in any way whatsoever.
I am comfortable with the more realistic implication of my post: that I'd rather have Millsap wearing my team's jersey than Boozer. My point is that if Boozer "anchors" the offense of a second-tier Western conference
"asseverations"
You know I've been called at trollish bitch or a bitchy troll on this site. But you, sir, take the ****ing cake. Go play on some "word of the day" message board.
When has Kirilenko ever led a team to the playoffs? When has he ever been reliably healthy, both mentally and physically, while doing this?
Oh, never. Yeah. Never.
I'm aware of the fact that the Jazz had multiple 50+ win seasons with Boozer as their main post presence, winning a multitude of playoff series without homecourt advantage.
Parallel, they did a great deal of this with Kirilenko either mentally or physically providing little to nothing. Or nothing at all.
realize that you're a basketball illiterate, with statements like the above.
No understanding of offensive schemes, basic plays, or playbooks. Floor spacing or philosophy.
And how a 5x5 not only refers to Kirilenko's old statlines, but likely your IQ as well.
Extremes as base example of philosophy, not a literal basis.
Don't get confused. And don't attempt such transparent sophistry.
Then what was your point, considering you directly implied that his defensive ability made the choice "arbitrary" between the two?
If you don't like my reply, you should first like at your own ridiculous assertion. You know think in-tandem with what you type out.
Just a thought.
Sorry, I felt the need to take Occam's razor to your rambling emotionalism.
In other words, you have no logical argument for Millsap in this context. What you have is hatred for Boozer.
Boozer's never done this either.
It's not 1996 anymore.
2007
Dennis Rodman was a better man-defender than Shaq.
What that has to do with Rodman as a marquee player, with a championshipl-level offense designed around him, I fail to understand in any type of long or short form analysis.
Is Millsap now Bill Russell? Because the idea that he's a defensive anchor, on par with Boozer's offensive role, is one of the more nonsensical asseverations -- at the least, implications -- I've seen on here.
If that isn't the point, then I fail to see what your point is. That a sturdy, respectable defender is better than a mediocre to poor defender?
And...what? Millsap's overall game is not elevated to Boozer's level because he plays decent defense in a man to man and occasional help context.
It's rather like pointing out that a compact car gets better mileage than a Hummer.
That's a pretty poor example of self-shot creation. 15-17 foot jumpers from bigs tend to be created off spacing and guard initiation; Millsap is no different.
He is decent at driving the lane, a faceup context, but his back to the basket game is rudimentary, with little more than a decent jumper to work with in low-post situations.
He can drive, yes. But that doesn't mean you can set him up on the block, let him go to work either man to man or with a crowd, and expect an optimal shot for him or a teammate.
That's shot creation. That's facilitation.
Boozer had that -- amazing footwork -- and so does Jefferson. Guys you can design an offense around, in other words.
Millsap is -- though I'm not making a one to one talent comparison with anyone here -- more like Thurl Bailey to Karl Malone. The latter was setting up the offense, and someone like Bailey as a second or third option, just by being on the floor. The ability to dump the ball in, either in isolation or motion contexts, inherent to the star's skillsets creating not only for himself but for teammates.
I realize that you're a basketball illiterate, with statements like the above.
No understanding of offensive schemes, basic plays, or playbooks. Floor spacing or philosophy.
And how a 5x5 not only refers to Kirilenko's old statlines, but likely your IQ as well.