Boozer who?

[JAZZFAN_2814]

You can make this analytical move -- I applaud it. But you can't do it without following it to the end of the line. You make no mention of defense in this post or in the other thread.

Dennis Rodman was a better man-defender than Shaq.

What that has to do with Rodman as a marquee player, with a championshipl-level offense designed around him, I fail to understand in any type of long or short form analysis.

When you do, the tidy little lines you've drawn and placed Boozer on one side and Millsap on the other start to look a bit more arbitrary.

Is Millsap now Bill Russell? Because the idea that he's a defensive anchor, on par with Boozer's offensive role, is one of the more nonsensical asseverations -- at the least, implications -- I've seen on here.

If that isn't the point, then I fail to see what your point is. That a sturdy, respectable defender is better than a mediocre to poor defender?

And...what? Millsap's overall game is not elevated to Boozer's level because he plays decent defense in a man to man and occasional help context.

It's rather like pointing out that a compact car gets better mileage than a Hummer.

I also get the sense that you might be hanging on to an old story. Millsap's offensive game is improving. There were several times in the OKC game where he created his own shot from about 15-17 feet out.

That's a pretty poor example of self-shot creation. 15-17 foot jumpers from bigs tend to be created off spacing and guard initiation; Millsap is no different.

He is decent at driving the lane, a faceup context, but his back to the basket game is rudimentary, with little more than a decent jumper to work with in low-post situations.

He can drive, yes. But that doesn't mean you can set him up on the block, let him go to work either man to man or with a crowd, and expect an optimal shot for him or a teammate.

That's shot creation. That's facilitation.

Boozer had that -- amazing footwork -- and so does Jefferson. Guys you can design an offense around, in other words.

Millsap is -- though I'm not making a one to one talent comparison with anyone here -- more like Thurl Bailey to Karl Malone. The latter was setting up the offense, and someone like Bailey as a second or third option, just by being on the floor. The ability to dump the ball in, either in isolation or motion contexts, inherent to the star's skillsets creating not only for himself but for teammates.

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

As the Boozer-haters come out of the woodwork.

What do you mean out of the woodwork? I was a Boozer apologist for quite a while, saw the writing on the wall, and have been vocal about not missing him ever since.

 

[JAZZFAN_2814]

What do you mean out of the woodwork? I was a Boozer apologist for quite a while, saw the writing on the wall, and have been vocal about not missing him ever since.

What writing was this, that was on the wall? For a guy that has defended Kirilenko, right down to his choice in tampons, to say that you're a realist as to roster needs and production is hard to swallow.

The Jazz are fine.

Because they have Jefferson.

Allowing Boozer to walk without a suitable post replacement would have meant rebuilding, and likely the end of Deron in Utah.

But hey, that is how Kirilenko liked it. The halcyon days of 20-something wins.

 

[cjs55]

AK was primarily injured for the 20 win season. That's why the team dropped from 40 to 20 wins. Get your facts straight.

You do realize the Jazz's record has been the same with or without Boozer over the last few years? You do realize the Jazz running a 'post-centric offense' is a load of crap?

 

[NAOS]

Dennis Rodman was a better man-defender than Shaq.

What that has to do with Rodman as a marquee player, with a championshipl-level offense designed around him, I fail to understand in any type of long or short form analysis.



Is Millsap now Bill Russell? Because the idea that he's a defensive anchor, on par with Boozer's offensive role, is one of the more nonsensical asseverations -- at the least, implications -- I've seen on here.

If that isn't the point, then I fail to see what your point is. That a sturdy, respectable defender is better than a mediocre to poor defender?

And...what? Millsap's overall game is not elevated to Boozer's level because he plays decent defense in a man to man and occasional help context.

It's rather like pointing out that a compact car gets better mileage than a Hummer.



That's a pretty poor example of self-shot creation. 15-17 foot jumpers from bigs tend to be created off spacing and guard initiation; Millsap is no different.

He is decent at driving the lane, a faceup context, but his back to the basket game is rudimentary, with little more than a decent jumper to work with in low-post situations.

He can drive, yes. But that doesn't mean you can set him up on the block, let him go to work either man to man or with a crowd, and expect an optimal shot for him or a teammate.

That's shot creation. That's facilitation.

Boozer had that -- amazing footwork -- and so does Jefferson. Guys you can design an offense around, in other words.

Millsap is -- though I'm not making a one to one talent comparison with anyone here -- more like Thurl Bailey to Karl Malone. The latter was setting up the offense, and someone like Bailey as a second or third option, just by being on the floor. The ability to dump the ball in, either in isolation or motion contexts, inherent to the star's skillsets creating not only for himself but for teammates.

There is so much wordsmithian nonsense in this post that I don't know where to start.

First off, you take my points and throw them into the logical extremes: Shaq vs. Rodman, Bill Russell, etc. Not only did I not say that he was a defensive anchor, but I didn't even make the claim that he was "on par" with Boozer in any way whatsoever. I am comfortable with the more realistic implication of my post: that I'd rather have Millsap wearing my team's jersey than Boozer. My point is that if Boozer "anchors" the offense of a second-tier Western conference team and that is going to cost me a maximum salary as well as a near erasure of offensive output do to defensive ineffectiveness (particularly against the Lakers), then, yes, I'd rather have Millsap. I love your synopsis of my point: "That a sturdy, respectable defender is better than a mediocre to poor defender?" Thanks for extending a little reading generosity, assbag.

Millsap's has shown the ability to take 15-17 foot jumpers after a dribble, drive, cross-over, etc. That is creating your own shot. He doesn't do it as much as he could because he plays within the offense. If you are going to deny this simple point you can keep it to yourself. If Millsap doesn't have the size to play with his back to the basket then he can develop ball handling and passing skills as a counter-offensive within a team system. He's already better at Boozer in both of these categories. End of story.

So, let's make an dirtbag reduction of your point. Is it that Millsap isn't what he isn't?

"asseverations"
You know I've been called at trollish bitch or a bitchy troll on this site. But you, sir, take the ****ing cake. Go play on some "word of the day" message board.

 

[JAZZFAN_2814]

AK was primarily injured for the 20 win season. That's why the team dropped from 40 to 20 wins. Get your facts straight.

When has Kirilenko ever led a team to the playoffs? When has he ever been reliably healthy, both mentally and physically, while doing this?

Oh, never. Yeah. Never.

You do realize the Jazz's record has been the same with or without Boozer over the last few years?

I'm aware of the fact that the Jazz had multiple 50+ win seasons with Boozer as their main post presence, winning a multitude of playoff series without homecourt advantage.

Parallel, they did a great deal of this with Kirilenko either mentally or physically providing little to nothing. Or nothing at all.

You do realize the Jazz running a 'post-centric offense' is a load of crap?

I realize that you're a basketball illiterate, with statements like the above.

No understanding of offensive schemes, basic plays, or playbooks. Floor spacing or philosophy.

And how a 5x5 not only refers to Kirilenko's old statlines, but likely your IQ as well.

 

[JAZZFAN_2814]

First off, you take my points and throw them into the logical extremes: Shaq vs. Rodman, Bill Russell, etc.

Extremes as base example of philosophy, not a literal basis.

Don't get confused. And don't attempt such transparent sophistry.

Not only did I not say that he was a defensive anchor, but I didn't even make the claim that he was "on par" with Boozer in any way whatsoever.

Then what was your point, considering you directly implied that his defensive ability made the choice "arbitrary" between the two?

If you don't like my reply, you should first like at your own ridiculous assertion. You know think in-tandem with what you type out.

Just a thought.

I am comfortable with the more realistic implication of my post: that I'd rather have Millsap wearing my team's jersey than Boozer. My point is that if Boozer "anchors" the offense of a second-tier Western conference

Sorry, I felt the need to take Occam's razor to your rambling emotionalism.

In other words, you have no logical argument for Millsap in this context. What you have is hatred for Boozer.

"asseverations"
You know I've been called at trollish bitch or a bitchy troll on this site. But you, sir, take the ****ing cake. Go play on some "word of the day" message board.

Did you have to open a book? I'm so sorry, I hope it wasn't as physically painful for you as, I'm certain, it was mentally.

Just as a sendoff, it's clear that you're a vituperative halfwit, unable to defend the lacking and moronic assertions that you throw up like a dog choking on a bone.

 

[cjs55]

When has Kirilenko ever led a team to the playoffs? When has he ever been reliably healthy, both mentally and physically, while doing this?

Oh, never. Yeah. Never.

Boozer's never done this either.

I'm aware of the fact that the Jazz had multiple 50+ win seasons with Boozer as their main post presence, winning a multitude of playoff series without homecourt advantage.

Parallel, they did a great deal of this with Kirilenko either mentally or physically providing little to nothing. Or nothing at all.

Jazz had multiple 50+ win seasons with Deron Williams as their point guard. They have the same win percentage during these seasons with or without Carlos Boozer.

realize that you're a basketball illiterate, with statements like the above.

No understanding of offensive schemes, basic plays, or playbooks. Floor spacing or philosophy.

And how a 5x5 not only refers to Kirilenko's old statlines, but likely your IQ as well.

It's not 1996 anymore.

 

[NAOS]

Extremes as base example of philosophy, not a literal basis.

Don't get confused. And don't attempt such transparent sophistry.





Then what was your point, considering you directly implied that his defensive ability made the choice "arbitrary" between the two?

If you don't like my reply, you should first like at your own ridiculous assertion. You know think in-tandem with what you type out.

Just a thought.



Sorry, I felt the need to take Occam's razor to your rambling emotionalism.

In other words, you have no logical argument for Millsap in this context. What you have is hatred for Boozer.

ON SALE NOW!!!

 

[NAOS]

 

[NAOS]

hahah... whatever.
You suck. how about that?

 

[NAOS]

By the way, if your name is Kyle Jefferies I'm going to be very disappointed.