According to RAPM Millsap was the 7th best player in the league

[zman1527]

7th best player in the league? Wow. And we did not even make it to the playoffs like 16 other teams did. I guess having the 7th best player does not count for much. Or maybe that stat is off a tad.

I don't buy it. 7th best should be serious stud leading the team to victory numerous times. Sap was nice but he was no stud.

 

[LogGrad98]

Millsap is a good person and a good player and I'm going to vomit when you all boo him at the ESA next season

Go touch a dog.

 

[LogGrad98]

what stat do you find more reliable, and please don't say per.

per.

 

[Deleted member 848]

you saw inconsistency.

Yes-- and so did others. Including the coaching staff, evidently.

I saw remarkable consistency for a player asked to undergo a massive transition within the organization (from trying to win to treading water).

Perseverance is the right word here-- not consistency. Which is awesome, and it makes me a fan of Millsap the person, and the player to a lesser extent. It would be nice to have such a versatile player on the team-- but we were provided an excellent opportunity in exchange for salary room-- and versatile third bigs aren't extremely rare.

A player that went from playing alongside one of the best PGs in the league, to playing second fiddle to Jefferson.

Al Jefferson > Millsap + no PG, on offense. It made sense why Millsap played second fiddle. Hayward and Burks didn't develop playmaking skills quick enough, and Mo/Tinsley/Watson offered zero playmaking from PG. Revolving our offense around a player who doesn't need stellar playmaking, on a team with almost zero mentionable playmakers, makes sense.

His inconsistencies are so dramatically defended on this board, its laughable.

Fixed.

 

[GVC]

Al Jefferson > Millsap + no PG, on offense. It made sense why Millsap played second fiddle. Hayward and Burks didn't develop playmaking skills quick enough, and Mo/Tinsley/Watson offered zero playmaking from PG. Revolving our offense around a player who doesn't need stellar playmaking, on a team with almost zero mentionable playmakers, makes sense.

Al becoming the bailout option and main hub of the offense wasn't the real problem post-Sloan/Deron debacle. Al Jefferson being the person to define team culture was the problem. Why/how that happened I don't know, but hopefully his lovable loser stink didn't rub off too much on the young guys.

It would be nice to have such a versatile player on the team-- but we were provided an excellent opportunity in exchange for salary room-- and versatile third bigs aren't extremely rare.

You're an idiot.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Al becoming the bailout option and main hub of the offense wasn't the real problem post-Sloan/Deron debacle. Al Jefferson being the person to define team culture was the problem. Why/how that happened I don't know, but hopefully his lovable loser stink didn't rub off too much on the young guys.

Right, because our young guys definitely have shown, or spoken, no interest in winning games in a season that many say they should just take it easy on. Similarly, our young players have continuously shown zero effort on the defensive end, and mimic the same 'losing-basketball' characteristics surrounded in infamy among Jazz fans due to one Al Jefferson


/sarcasm

You're an idiot.

And you're a socially-awkward narcissist . I'm just glad that my idiocy doesn't leave me prone to unprovoked name calling, particularly in basketball conversations when you offer no points yourself.


Just being honest. I think you know I've never had a problem with you-- but the reverse does not seem to be the case

 

[zbone]

Some people on this board appear to be butthurt by pretty much neutral opinions on Millsap which is awkward.

 

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Yes-- and so did others. Including the coaching staff, evidently.




Perseverance is the right word here-- not consistency. Which is awesome, and it makes me a fan of Millsap the person, and the player to a lesser extent. It would be nice to have such a versatile player on the team-- but we were provided an excellent opportunity in exchange for salary room-- and versatile third bigs aren't extremely rare.



Al Jefferson > Millsap + no PG, on offense. It made sense why Millsap played second fiddle. Hayward and Burks didn't develop playmaking skills quick enough, and Mo/Tinsley/Watson offered zero playmaking from PG. Revolving our offense around a player who doesn't need stellar playmaking, on a team with almost zero mentionable playmakers, makes sense.


Fixed.

Thanks for the mixed bag of semantics + glossy generalizations. It was a great way to jump over the interests in my comment rather than try to take it hear on. The apparent line-by-line breakdown of my post was a good distraction.

 

[Avery]

You can throw whatever stats out there based on any formula the author perceives as the right one, but it doesn't change the simple fact that we saw Millsap play, saw him not play well and saw him sign elsewhere for more money than we would or ever should have given him.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Thanks for the mixed bag of semantics + glossy generalizations. It was a great way to jump over the interests in my comment rather than try to take it hear on. The apparent line-by-line breakdown of my post was a good distraction.

Conversely, thanks for the vague response that offers no rebuttal to anything that I said. I'm more than eager to hear points that you have, that would make me rethink anything that I've said in the posts prior

 

[moevillini]

my turn...


I just want to say thank you falettinme be mice elf again


phew, I've been waiting a long time to be able to say that.

 

[One Brow]

I don't think this is correct. The prior they use is not subjective ("what they think"), but rather obtained from prior year statistics (IIRC, the stats are calculated using ridge regression, rookies are usually given a very poor prior).

The very notion that these statistics are expected to be consistent year-to-year is subjective. If a statistic is wildly variable in consecutive years, that you can reduce that somewhat by considering multiple years, but adjusting an individual year based on previous years is a subjective influence.