Kanter's turnovers

[franklin]

The biggest hole in Kanter's game by far is his turnovers. Nice thing is this is probably the easiest delinquency to fix by repeating proper form in practice.



Last season stats Kanter vs. Jefferson.

Overall PPP: .95 / .97
fg%: 54.4 / 49.5


Post PPP: .82 / .89
Post TO%: 23.7 / 8.4


PPP P&R: 1.01 / .98
P&R TO%: 7.3 / 5.3
%SF: 14.5 / 2.3
number: 55 / 131

Spot up PPP: 1 / .83
%SF: 11.6 / 0
%score: 51.2 / 41



The stats show Kanter already being better than Jefferson at almost everything. It's just not pretty to watch yet. His overall ppp of .95 vs .97 is pretty impressive given that he turns the ball over 1 out of every 4 post possessions. Backing out some of those turnovers by taking him down from 23.7% to 10%, if he could get there, and his post ppp goes from .82 to .95, which is better than Jefferson's .89. That alone would be some impressive improvement without any growth anywhere else. It would also put him close or above the threshold that separates good scorers from elite (ppp Harden = 1.01, Bryant = .98, LBJ = 1.1, Anthony = .98).

Fixing the turnovers combined with his 55% post field goal percentage and ability to get to the line and Enes Kanter is going to make a lot of national commentary that has ignored him look pretty stupid (I'm looking at you AKMValanchoonik).

 

[dipship31]

Hopefully the coaches actually put him in places on the floor where he can succeed and not turn the ball over. Last year they just tried to make him do exactly what Al does in the post.

 

[franklin]

Coaches aren't allowed on the floor during play.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Hopefully the coaches actually put him in places on the floor where he can succeed and not turn the ball over. Last year they just tried to make him do exactly what Al does in the post.

I saw plenty of Kanter/Favors hi-lo action last season that Corbin never utilized for Jefferson and Millsap (I think Sloan did though, IIRC)





Kanter will be fine

 

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I think I remember something from last year... Something like, in practice, Kanter wasn't allowed to take more than one dribble after he caught it in the post. They want him to make quick and powerful moves. I also noticed that he's been coached to pass out of the post very quickly (maybe too quickly). Anyway, both of these things are probably geared specifically for cutting down on TOs and making the game simpler.

 

[MVP]

Fixing the turnovers combined with his 55% post field goal percentage and ability to get to the line and Enes Kanter is going to make a lot of national commentary that has ignored him look pretty stupid (I'm looking at you AKMValanchoonik).

Yet to be seen if he can play on nightly basis and put up same stats in 30+ minutes vs starters. Lets be objective - all those numbers with exception of couple games are achieved mostly against subs. He is smart kid and does not commit stupid fouls so that will help to stay on the floor, but my biggest question is his physical shape after injury. Kid never played extended minutes for more then 1 month, how is his body going to handle 82 games?
Anyway can the season start already?

 

[NUMBERICA]

Yet to be seen if he can play on nightly basis and put up same stats in 30+ minutes vs starters. Lets be objective - all those numbers with exception of couple games are achieved mostly against subs. He is smart kid and does not commit stupid fouls so that will help to stay on the floor, but my biggest question is his physical shape after injury. Kid never played extended minutes for more then 1 month, how is his body going to handle 82 games?
Anyway can the season start already?

Except his body didn't break down like you seem to be insinuating.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Except his body didn't break down like you seem to be insinuating.

Exactly. There's a big difference between someone falling on a shoulder and an injury happening and somebody's "body breaking down".

 

[MVP]

Except his body didn't break down like you seem to be insinuating.

Not my point. I know it was freak injury. My question is how his body will handle 30+ minutes on daily basis since he never had that kind of experience before.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Not my point. I know it was freak injury. My question is how his body will handle 30+ minutes on daily basis since he never had that kind of experience before.

It will be interesting to find out. Thanks for clarifying, it did sound like the injury was your biggest concern and that it played into his body breaking down, fyi.

 

[MVP]

it did sound like the injury was your biggest concern and that it played into his body breaking down, fyi.

I think my concern regarding his injury was what kind of role it will play in his conditioning. He was just recently cleared out for 100% activity. Might be a bit rusty when season starts.

 

[illyasova]

Stamina is the key word for kanter as being starter 1st time professionally in his career. It's so much different to show your strenght and decide truely in extended min than 15 min. And multiply it with 82, even harder to guess. Shooting percantage, turnovers, lateral quickness, foul numbers all will be effected by the increased numbers. As i guess, he's gonna be inconsistent at the beginning of the season but will be so much better after the allstar break. All he needs is experience and you can not buy it without living.

 

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I think my concern regarding his injury was what kind of role it will play in his conditioning. He was just recently cleared out for 100% activity. Might be a bit rusty when season starts.

You don't think he's been doing hellah cardio these past few months?

I understand getting back into GAME SHAPE is a different thing, but most players take a good bit of time away from real bball contact during the offseason.

 

[Stoked]

You don't think he's been doing hellah cardio these past few months?

I understand getting back into GAME SHAPE is a different thing, but most players take a good bit of time away from real bball contact during the offseason.

I'd hope that is something that they all would focus on. Aside from Hayward none of them have started consistently. Hayward only kind of. I really hope that conditioning does not hold them back. This is their chance and they need to place themselves in a position to take advantage of that opportunity.

 

[LogGrad98]

Coaches aren't allowed on the floor during play.

Well they should be dammit!

 

[Darkwing Duck]

The positive thing I've seen is that Kanter's second year turnovers seemed to trend toward aggressive passing as opposed to his first year trend where the trend leaned toward timidness. Bodes well for the future, I think. Kanter is a willing passer. He just needs to learn what he can and cannot get away with.

 

[Park Bites]

jazz will be a top 10 team in turn overs next year.

 

[franklin]

I saw plenty of Kanter/Favors hi-lo action last season that Corbin never utilized for Jefferson and Millsap (I think Sloan did though, IIRC)

Kanter will be fine

Good point. Corbin seemed to run a lot more stuff with Kanter-Favors in than Jefferson or Millsap in with either of them. Going back to simpler offensive basics was very visible with a young squad on the floor. They flexed better and run some Kanter-Favors devil horns that looked pretty damn good to me.

Corbin did run the H-L with Al and Sap though, just not as much as I would have liked. Someone even pointed out in a video where you could hear the defense yelling "high low high low".

The positive thing I've seen is that Kanter's second year turnovers seemed to trend toward aggressive passing as opposed to his first year trend where the trend leaned toward timidness. Bodes well for the future, I think. Kanter is a willing passer. He just needs to learn what he can and cannot get away with.

I didn't see his turnovers coming from passing. He had a bad dribble that gets stripped easily, among other problems.


It's not about being a willing passer in Kanter's case. He was a deer in the headlights his first season and didn't know what the hell was going on. Things weren't natural enough for him to worry about passing when he had to concentrate so much on the guy behind him. Last season he progressed plenty to where posting up is more reflexive and he could give more thought to the whole court.

 

[franklin]

jazz will be a top 10 team in turn overs next year.

What will the differential be though? This team might play some pretty tough defense. Even Brickens can defend.